We need a set of parties working together for Independence through some set of agreements on who stands where in 2026.
It’s time to forget about the snp for all the reasons you give above.
They are finished as a party.
Rev, you are the nearest thing that the cause has to a mainstream media presence.
Please use your influence to platform all the groups that are working in their way to further the cause.
A combined movement is needed, as you say, and so if people see how many groups are active then it will give support to those groups and a basis for a Convention, perhaps.
You will know someone in all those groups and can make a huge difference. Indy 1st, SSRG, Mike Fenwick, Salvo/Liberation, ISP to name a few.
Salvo/Liberation is a way forward, not politicians at this stage, if you take the time to understand its purpose. It sets out to prove to the UN that Scotland is a colony. It is studying in minute detail the Treaty and events since to make a rock solid case for legal action. Also it’s about educating the public about popular sovereignty.
It has created formally a liberation movement, the first committee elections have just concluded after more than two years being run by a self appointed panel,
The U.K. is a signatory to the UN charter on removing colonisation. If you question this please read Doun Hauden by Alfred Baird. Published in 2020.
Steps are underway to get international support.
How about ideas for what an independent Scotland would look like?
What people care about is not immigration, for example, but, literally, life and death issues. That embraces health, social care, welfare, the economy, education, happiness and more.
Explore the kind of politics that we want in each of those areas and more in an independent Scotland.
I would start by saying an end to neoliberalism. Scotland should be a social democratic country.
Take issues one at a time. See if we can attract experts in different fields to talk to us.Talk to each other. Do research.
Well Rev Stu, I hope you can find a way to get your head around what SALVO and Liberation are doing.
I know it’s pointless if your heart’s not in it, but on the other hand, I can see a time coming, hopefully soon, when the whole of Scotland is going to need a Wee Blue Book on the Constitutional matters affecting Scotland, namely the Claim of Right being trashed and Scotland’s Popular Sovereignty being cynically usurped. Scotland has tremendous strength, but our weakness is too many know nothing about it.
Very soon, we will need that knowledge to be shared amongst everyone in Scotland as a concise and authoritative summary of the issues affecting Scotland’s Independence.
Scotland United seems a forlorn aspiration given the bampots in the SNP, but they can only wreck it where the SNP has presence, and outwith the UK’s faux constitution complete with Vichy Holyrood, the SNP actually has no presence. Even the office of First Minister is meaningless.
Imagine if we did Scotland United ourselves, but assembled ourselves under the Constitutional Banner, not the compromised political one.
Start small; a meeting between your good self, a particular Mr Salmond, and the indefatigable Sara Salyers. Shut yourselves in a room, and don’t come out until we’ve got SALVO’s Constitutional imperative firmly married to Salmond’s strategic genius, and yourself riding shotgun to keep the wagon on course, and all the disruptive douche bags and perverts thrown under the wheels, and of course, a Wee Blue Book taking the word to the people.
I tell you Rev Stu… This would blossom. I feel it in my bones.
I’d even extend an invite to Joanna Cherry. Make it a table for 4.
I know Joanna is hurtin’ and angry, but back on form with Scotland’s Sovereign Constitution in her boxing gloves, and I believe Joanna could easily do for Scotland what Dr. Ralph Wilde did for the Arab League and Palestinian cause at the UN / ICJ.
Can’t you just see Joanna doing this for Scotland’s justice? Forget petty vengeance. Get Independence over the line and nobody will even remember Sturgeon’s name.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRn4qYAORAE
Pick up that phone Rev Stu. I know you’ve got Alex Salmond’s number. Make the calls.
The problem is, independence is an absolute necessity but is also somewhat of a luxury belief. When the population is deliberately and cynically stressed (no money, no heating, no food, constant threats of war and stoking fear of refugees & migrants) hope isn’t easy to sell. My advice fwiw is to focus on something we all can get behind – like health or roads. Bread & butter stuff which these seat warming numpties have ignored. Only then can we aspire to better because right now, the snp may not be at rock bottom but the people of our country aren’t very far from it.
Dear Mr Campbell
It seems to me your specific skills and mindset are needed more than ever in the run up to the 2026 election. Since the MSM do not know, or do not report accurately, what happens (often in plain sight, as you have shown) we need you more than ever to dig out the unpalatable and then to write about your findings, in your excellent journalistic style.
I certainly intend to keep up my monthly payment and if needed, increase it.
For anyone interested, this is today’s post (edited) about the Declaration of a Sovereign Scot initiative, it reads:
A question that takes no more than 20 seconds to answer! Who in the WORLD knows YOU want to end the union and regain Scotland’s independence? This is an (edited) extract from the International Court of Justice (ICJ):
‘The lack of any evidence as to the view of the people on whose behalf the Application has been filed, is one of the principal reasons leading to the inability of the Court to decide the dispute.’
It takes literally no more than 20 seconds to sign the Declaration of a Sovereign Scot. Every signed Declaration of a Sovereign Scot has been, and will be, sent to the world via the United Nations. The WORLD, the ICJ need hard documentary evidence of what you want!
Which is why when I begin shortly to tour Scotland – will YOU spare just 20 seconds of your time to tell the WORLD – YOU want to end the union and regain Scotland’s independence?
The party, in all likelihood, is simply sticking its fingers in its ears and desperately trying to convince itself that everything’s going to be fine somehow – they were only six points behind Labour last week, the Holyrood electoral system is a different beast to a Westminster one, and maybe in two years’ time everyone will be sick of Keir Starmer’s inevitably disappointing administration.
Like the Corbynites in 2019 it seems the SNP are destined to ignore the huge reasons they lost & just double down. Virtually no self-reflection is being done & the idea the public just are bigots or don’t understand SNP policies is nonsense. They’ll stumble along to 2026, get another tanking and then, possibly, some sense might prevail but I doubt it. It’s going to take people in the party willing to to speak sense and not be shouted down by the people who’ve been 100% responsible for last week’s battering.
There’s also a possibility that actually, Labour might improve things like the cost of living which is overwhelmingly most people’s main concern. If they do that then it makes the SNP’s case even more difficult in 2026, especially as the SNP policies of the last five years have seen a managed decline in Scotland’s services and economy.
But hey, the Greens got those cycle lanes built.
The activist base has been decimated, and more will leave as a result of the election because nobody wants to be the last off a sinking ship.
Normally when I go to vote there’d be an SNP activist at the station & prior to that I’d have them at my door at least once with plenty of leaflets. This year I did get leaflets through my door but no activists at my home or at the polling station. Considering this was Alison Thewliss’s seat & it was predicted to be close I’d have thought they’d be out in force. This is also an area with a lot of Glasgow Uni students so the Greens were out canvassing around the uni & Byres Road and all over the West End but nothing from the SNP.
Now that’s because the membership base has been wiped out & barring a few older diehards, the activist base now are people in their 20s or early 30s who often have no idea how to speak to people & certainly can’t convince people to vote SNP.
So yes, I think the SNP need to be wiped out in 2026. Independence as a political goal is over for now & the next decade at least. The SNP and Greens have assured that. The cause remains but we’re in a state where Alba aren’t going anywhere, Labour will be dominant til the end of the decade at least & the SNP offer nothing to voters beyond their core, and as Stu has pointed out, had the Greens stood aside in some seats there’d be a lot more SNP MPs this week.
But nobody within the SNP is able or willing to say what needs to be said or are they able to flush the party out before the 2026 defeat at Holyrood.
Stu, you and on the whole the wingers have done more for the independence cause than the majority of the fat cat, money squirreling, lying bastards have ever achieved . I remember how good it felt in the summer of 2014 on the run up to the referendum. I can only thank you for all your work and keeping the spotlight on the decivers.
@ Breeks at 4.05 “Imagine if we did Scotland United ourselves, under the Constitutional banner not the corrupted political one. … Start small, a meeting of your good self with Alex Salmond and Sara Salyers.”
That’s similar to what I was thinking earlier – we must have a joint effort that will get enough people together so that significant progress can be made outside the political system. There is no hope that Holyrood will do anything sensible before 2026, and probably not afterwards either.
There are many very capable people working to restore Scotland’s status – they need to be brought together into a body that is recognised as representative. Canon Kenyon Wright managed it in the 1980’s so it must be possible to do it now. The Rev could pick up where Canon Wright left off.
Breeks at 405pm,
Some very good ideas – and Sara later.
Salvo do have the right idea, in essence Scotland has the right to end the union when it so pleases. The union treaty has been broken more times than can be remembered – by ENGLAND.
At present, the SNP are still suggesting asking England’s permission, and everybody KNOWS that just will not happen. Scotland is England’s cherished possession, rich in oil, gas, renewable energy, land and ocean boundaries. So, asking England for permission is just dumb.
Scotlands democratic rights as enshrined in the claim of right – which IS, incidentally recognized by Westminster, is very clear in terms of Scotland’s freedom. It just needs some people to help make it happen. Any clown the world over can see that how Scotland is treated by Westminster and England is a democratic outrage. Were the circumstances reversed, you can be sure the people of England would not tolerate it for more than one second – and certainly NOT for over three hundred years.
The funny thing about the treaty of union and the claim of right, is that so many in Scotland do not truly understand them. They sneer at the idea of using such ‘old’ documents to assert our independence. Yet those very same people happily indulge the utter sh*te from England, perpetrated by an archaic parliamentary system based upon ‘old’ historical documents. If we assert the treaty of union and claim of right are irrelevant by virtue of being ‘old’, then we must equally reject the very basis of how the supposed United kingdom and Westminster currently operate. Why is the English Magna carta taken seriously as a foundation for government, yet much more recent documents from Scotland are discarded and regarded as irrelevant. If the treaty of union is irrelevant, then why are we still being run by England? ONLY that document enables English rule over Scotland. Without the treaty. their is no UK.
Over three hundred years of English propaganda has achieved these misconceptions and misunderstandings. It is sad so many Scots ‘suck it up’.
We now know England is NEVER again going to let the devolved Scots parliament have the power to hold a referendum on independence, since they know YES would win next time. So, in many ways we need bodies outside the confines of devolution to get the process going. Their is a role for Holyrood however, they definitely DO have the powers to help such a move, in terms of funding via various indirect means.
It is a disgrace that England has been allowed to trash Scotland for over three hundred years. Stealing our wealth and assets, over and over and over again. Independence is not just needed, it is very, very urgent.
And, to yet again agree with Breeks, I do think, if willing, Rev Stu could play a very important part.
I think Breeks and others are right, we do need figureheads outside the Scots parliament to start ‘banging the drum’ so to speak.
We need independence. Scotland could flourish without England’s baggage and thieving nature. You could say the future might be bright, certainly tonight let us hope the future is orange.
Dubh @ 5.40
Big AYE to alla that – spot-on .
re Civil Disobedience – at times it seems like the only thing that would rouse people out of their comfort zones/apathy enough to get them on the streets would be if all football was banned .
The things is …. there’s been precisely zero consideration given to C.D as a tactic by any of the Political Parties – or in the pro-Independence sites .
The opposite has been the case ; for the Legacy faction it’s been all about ” good Parliamentarians ” n ” working constructively ” ( lol , aye , being told what’s going to happen n whining impotently ) n the dismissive possibility-crusher ….” that won’t work ” .
Well , how do we know it ” won’t work ” ? No one has tried it yet . Nothing else seems to be working .
Also , what Breeks said . People are too quick to rubbish Salvo/Liberation without even knowing what it is their trying to achieve …FOR THE INDEPENDENCE MOVEMENT . FFS they’re not the enemy . Listen to what they’re saying – and what they’re not saying .
Let’s see if the work being done can be leveraged to our advantage . What is there to lose by – at least – exploring the possibilities ?
Advice to SNP. It isn’t rocket science.
1.Ditch the Toxic anti Indy Greens.
2 Ditch the Toxic anti Indy Wokists.
3 Become an Independence Party again and mean it.
4 Ditch the Toxic anti Indy Sturgeon and her anti Indy Coven.
@PacMan
When people are actually asked about what matters to them it is not immigrants. It is about the birth, health and education of children, about the incomes of people and the ability to buy the basics of life, about the health and care when ill or disabled of their family members and about their deaths.
Changing the subject, I am a bit disappointed that there is little interest in trying to prepare ourselves (those who read this blog) for what an independent Scotland might look like.
I suggest tentatively that independence is unlikely ever to be won if there is no clear idea given about how the shapes of our lives and the things that really matter are likely to be – and changed for the better,
Prof Brendan O’Leary is now urging the Irish government to look ahead to the end of the decade when a border poll might be won and start to tell people how a re-united Ireland might look.
If we have no fecking idea of what we want how the hell do we ever expect to convince the doubters.
Hopefully sooner rather than later the Sham Nationalist Party will be subject to a VONC at Holyrood. If it succeeds, all Scottish ministers will be compelled to stand down, with parliament given 28 days to appoint a new first minister. If it fails to do so, a snap election will be called which will finish the SNP in terms of both support and finances. Perhaps the ferries fiasco will be sufficient to unite the opposition, including the Greens, to deal the SNP a coup de grâs. Fingers crossed!
sam @ 9:22 pm
“we have no fecking idea of what we want”
Decolonization is the goal of self-determination, and not that difficult to understand:
https://salvo.scot/scotlands-colonial-status/
Kevin McKenna labour supporter on Debate night disnae haud back
https://x.com/bbcdebatenight/status/1811160169482486169
@Dubh 5:40
You are correct Civil Disobedience is the only option left. We must in effect become ungovernable. But for that to happen and be effective people have to care…at the moment it would seem that most Scots just don’t care. They’ve sat back and allowed last 12 years of Tory corruption and mendacity, they’ve sat back and done nothing about Brexit, they’ve sat back and done…nothing.
Doing nothing means we continue to get more of the same and maybe that’s what we deserve. Plus ca change.
Some good constructive posts above.
The other thing we ALL must recognise, is that within Scotland, their are agents of the English state who will use anything to cause division within the indy movement. That alone, is their task. As soon as folk try to get started with any avenue for independence, they will sow division, raising irrelevant nonsense to cause arguments and so on. Look at what they tried to do to Alex Salmond. No accident.
THAT, as history shows very clearly, is exactly how England (aka, ‘britin’) held on to so many conquered countries for so long throughout history.
Make no mistake, just as we know special branch infiltrate other political groups, so we can know with great certainty they will be working within Scotland to cause doubt, prevent unity, and generally cause failure.
How do they manipulate people to act on their behalf? same as all other spy agencies, carrot and stick. ‘If you say x and y from time to time, we can make sure you get a comfy pretendy ‘professor‘ title from a university, and a telly series on the BBC, maybe even a book. However, if you choose not to, well, it would be so sad if your wife and kids had to read about those two rent boys you regularly had visit your London flat whilst you were an MP, in the Daily Record – remember?? So, do as we ask, and you and your family will have a great time, ‘professor‘, or ,well it might all go a bit wrong for you.
It is how the brit establishment has always worked.
Make no mistake, London will and can do anything and everything to stop Scotland having democracy and ending undemocratic English rule. History shows they did it all over the world, they will certainly do it here.
Divide and conquer, as THEY say.
As folks hopefully know by now, I have ALWAYS been a passionate advocate of Scottish Sovereignty, even if my interpretation of it sometimes clashed with Robert Peffers, as some of you might remember.
Fast forward to 2024, my views are a lot more refined, better informed, and arguably honed to a sharper point, but they haven’t changed. Independence is all about sovereignty, all roads to this, and Independence will one day be synonymous with sovereignty.
For the avoidance of doubt, my position is that Scotland already is sovereign. We, the people, we literally are the Community of the Realm as it exists in the 21st Century.
We are sovereign, but not Independent, because the title on our Sovereignty, (title in the sense “who is empowered to wield our Sovereignty”), has been usurped and passed around like pass-the-parcel amongst those who do NOT have any legitimate right to do so; whether they be Scots of noble or dishonourable intention, or colonial usurpers such as the UK “Parliament”.
This “usurpation” of Scotland’s sovereignty has been extraordinarily difficult to prevent, not because the usurpers were particularly devious or accomplished, (we generally know crooks when we encounter them), but for longer that the Treaty of Union itself has existed, the greatest weakness in Scotland’s Sovereign Constitution has been the missing linkage which connects the sovereign people with their sovereign rights and authority.
By not being “organised” ourselves, and by that I mean having our Sovereign Constitution properly codified so that EVERYBODY knows exactly what it means, we are like vehicle with no driver, and apt to be taken for a ride whenever a rogue driver assumes the power he doesn’t rightfully possess. “This” is the essential essence of Scotland’s political subjugation these past three centuries.
Forget the politics of it, set that all to one side a moment, and focus on that missing linkage which separates Scotland’s Constitutional Sovereignty from Scotland’s sovereign people. “That” is where SALVO’s recent contribution to the struggle has been so phenomenal.
Scotland the Nation, thanks in huge part to SALVO’s revelations, is now in the process of rediscovering dormant powers and strengths long forgotten or taken for granted, which will have a PROFOUND impact on how Scotland is governed in the future, and spoilert alert, it will not be by a foreign Government seizing control of our Sovereign rights.
Initially, and until the day we have successfully codified our Sovereign Constitution, Scotland is going to have to improvise that missing linkage described above.
This is where it becomes so important to assemble ourselves as a modern Convention of the Estates, or a Constitutional Convention, a Constitutional Steering Group, OR WHATEVER! It doesn’t have to be perfect, but it must, repeat must, function as the linkage between sovereign people and sovereign power.
The linkage can be improvised, indeed it should be improvised, because properly codifying Scotland’s Sovereign Constitution will be difficult and take time to master. But the primary object of resurrecting this linkage is not to thus govern Scotland, but to address the matter, let’s call it the emergency, of Scotland’s Sovereign authority being usurped by Westminster.
Convince the Scottish people they are Sovereign, (and we achieve this by doing things which Westminster cannot prevent, – see Joanna Cherry laying out Boris Johnston and Attorney General Geoffrey Cox), then the Constitutional Genie is out of the bottle.
“Win” an emphatic Constitutional distinction, ideally something which can be recognised Internationally, (Like Brexit and defending the Claim of Right – FK you Sturgeon, you IMBECILE!), then we can watch Scotland’s Constitutional Sovereignty trickling down and dissolving all the colonial injustices and unconstitutional improprieties suffered upon Scotland since 1707. The Union will be dead.
This is why SALVO matters. SALVO has already changed the rules.
Do you see it yet?
The political changes will be a return to popular sovereignty where the ppl take back control & vote on important issues. Majority rule.
That includes a brand new parliament. A brand new constitution, voting system, political parties & a public who can sack eejits. No more politicians going off script or rubber stamping shit no one wants or acting on behalf of foreign agents/foreign wars/foreign interference.
Everything else will flow from a brand new parliament.
People’s assemblies & public opinion referendums takes care of everything else regards healthcare, education, contentious matters etc.
If nobody is concerned about immigration in Scotland then why did 7% of the total vote go to a English-centric party which essentially had not stood in Scotland before, has a anti EU stance and has as its main plank immigration restrictions?
I suspect that next election, assuming labour screw up, that it is likely they will increase their vote share and may even win across the the UK.
Housing, the NHS, public services are all affected by increasing population no matter where it comes from so its not a separate issue from these main topics.
As far as the legal argument goes for independence, Moonhowler is a good description of folk who think this has any chance of success. Even if some group could find an absolute smoking gun saying that the Union was “illegal” or had no legal validity it would be meaningless. The only way for this to work is for the majority of the population to vote for independence and at this moment in time I suspect this would be extremely unlikely to happen. The UK government, whatever party, has a good position at the moment denying another referendum due to the incompetence and inadequacy of the SNP and the SP and can point to current voting numbers now to back it up.
The SNP and Greens have basically screwed the independence movement over big time for some considerable time to come.
I have no idea who Andy Ellis is. If he has managed to get himself blocked on my site he has achieved special status as I rarely block anyone other than for foul language or blatant lies.
Let me give you an example. Tell us everything about your election. How many successfully voted?
We published the results for every candidate. The voting procedures are independently audited. The election process was under constant attack by forces unknown ( but suspected)
Now I ask you why should we publish any information that would allow those forces to measure the success of that interference. Forgive me if I suggest that anyone asking for that information in the manner Andy did suggests to me he may be an agent of those forces ranged against us.
The same goes for those who demand we publish our plan with a fixed timescale. This is going to be a legal fight what case ever publishes their case and tactics in advance?
I suggest readers should view with deep suspicion those who demand such information.
Our members of which there are thousands and growing at even greater speed after the General Election will be the first to know as the next steps are taken.
sam @ 7:19 am
“Do you envisage that Ireland will successfully persuade the Unionists in NI that all they need to do is decolonise themselves?”
It would appears that the majority in NI now supporting re-unification have already decolonised their minds.
Of course, the big difference between Scotland and NI is that few people are moving from GB to the latter, hence the nationalist majority will only grow further. Scotland’s nationalist support has been constrained through significant in-migration, which is mostly from rest-UK, with perhaps half of anti-independence voters (i.e. 1 million people) holding to other national identities and cultural emotion.
Bravo, Breeks, at 4:05pm, July 10th
Robert Louis said; July 10th at 7:17pm;
“If the treaty of union is irrelevant, then why are we still being run by England? ONLY that document enables English rule over Scotland. Without the treaty there is no UK.”
Robert, the Treaty did NOT enable English rule over Scotland, that’s an English establishment presumption that lacks all formal provenance. The English shouldn’t be running Scotland at all!
The Treaty enabled the Union’s parliament to rule over both kingdoms, with both kingdoms submitting a body of their own MPs to represent them in that shared parliament. But nothing in the founding documents of the Union contains any formal agreement that puts England’s MPs in charge of either the Union or Scotland, nor over Scotland’s MPs. Literally nothing.
Both bodies of MPs are the formal delegations of governance authority from each kingdom to the parliament, and neither body has any authority over the other’s kingdom, or over the other’s MPs. The very fact of the two kingdoms’ separate and distinct sovereignties makes that impossible, unless there is an actual formal agreement by both parties to the Treaty for one or other to defer to the other, and under what conditions. But there is no such agreement, nor is there any agreement for the use of a single flat vote in the parliament’s main debating chamber, so the English establishment’s presumption of a numeric-based authority to determine the outcomes of votes in the parliament is baseless, ultra vires, unconstitutional, and unlawful. It isn’t even democratic, as any well-informed democrat would aver.
England’s presumption of its unlimited authority over the union is thoroughly bogus.
There are only two formal parties to the Union under the Treaty, not 650! It is the tally of their two votes that must count in parliament, not the tally of the 650 MPs.
Our MPs’ ignorance of these matters is an utter disgrace; they really, really, really should know better, because knowing which sovereignty is which and which one they are supposed to serve, and what the word actually means and implies is directly relevant to their jobs as formal representatives of an entire sovereign nation in a union of two such nations. Any real professional MP would have all that necessary background knowledge down pat.
The bottom line is that our MPs have no damn business kowtowing to any English authority! They are in that place specifically to formally represent the sovereign people of Scotland and their kingdom to the rest of the Union, and no other body. Not themselves, and not their own parties. That is what the Treaty requires of them.
Our MPs need to know their damn place, and so do England’s!
sam @ 2:58 pm
“history taught in schools in Scotland includes post 1707 period”
Sure it does, however the content and tone will depend on who writes it and what values they hold. Postcolonial theory has a lot to say on how a colony’s history is re-written for them, including that a colonized people “are no longer a part of history” (Memmi).
As for NI, and as the Belfast Agreement affirms, that really is a matter for the people there, just as Scotland’s governance is (or should be) a matter only for Scots, nobody else.
The premise that everyone had to vote SNP to get the Tories out was one of the stupidest election campaigns ever.
The tories have no chance of winning much in scotland and had little to start with to be removed from.
All the SNP were trying to do, with the lack of any other option or policy, was try and get folk to vote snp from their historical distaste of the tories.
What they had not counted on was that the country had an even stronger distaste of the snp and folk saw right through what they were doing.
Plus they should have hidden the fish during the campaign, she is literally pioson to the electorate at large now.
It’s pretty interesting to study all those faces in each of the campaigns, including Grandad Marley’s (thanks Confused). Quite a few anti-normie types and then the SNP wonders why the election results showed they’re out of touch.
Just imagine the size of the shovel you’d need to clear out all that, erm, gold. Much better to burn it all to the ground and start again.
In any case, times have changed. The world is turning it’s back on what interests white, overweight, middle-class, american soccer-moms. Time for something new. Has anyone tried anything explicitly anti-liberal?
Nothing that could be labelled far-right, but instead something that focussed on putting food on the table, clothes on peoples’ backs, kids in schools sort of thing?
Confused
Ignored says:
11 July, 2024 at 2:33 pm
” Grandad Marley in the last photo (the whole thing is a work of art)
– should give us a blast of
NO WOMAN, NO CRY ”
Aye , yr man , ie Haile Unlikely n his burd – Fatty Dread , will be contemplating their Exodus to Nu Labour ere lang , now that the gravy train has been derailed and ” Toxic Masculinity ” n his mate ” Male Fragility ” still stalk the land . Those two bastards no doubt responsible for the cruel End Of Pies reality that has befallen that Darby n Joan of Prog .
Wait……maybe it was that super-villain Hate that screwed things up . Seems Yousaf’s ” muslamic rockets ” just weren’t strong enough .
Or maybe there were insufficient Nu Women ( ie disturbed men ) prancing about waving their ” lady dicks ” around on the Camp Pain Trail ?
Fuck knows , but the supreme skelping they got was absolutely nothing to do with them . We know this because The Stooge told them so .
Oh wait , again ……didn’t Knickers The Omniscient , as the disastrous results were coming in , start a bit of judicious pronoun sleight-of-hand , eg her Party , the one she’s still a member of and which she ran into the ground in record time , suddenly became not ” we ” , but ” they ” : shamelessly trying to disassociate herself from the calamity of which she was the main ” author ” ? Aye , she did .
Not enough *trans**women* in HolyMinster !! THAT is the problem
Obviously .
Ah well , I’m sure there will be more opportunities for Haile to babble-on in Babylon n claim , deep down , he’s always been a Labour supporter . Pass the dutchie ‘pon the left-hand side ( or whichever side is in power )
@ Hatuey
” Frankly, I no longer give a shit about Indy. ”
I have that thought on average about 3 times a day .
And the thought ” wouldn’t it be great to see Scotland unburdened and renewed ; a Scottish Social/Cultural Renaissance ? ” on average about 5 times a day .
That ratio is under a shitload of pressure ATM , for obvious reasons , but it’s holding up .
“Things ” have been worse previously n can always get better .
Gotta keep on keeping on , H
Ally at 3:33 pm says:
“I wonder how many SNP members and MP/MSPs are going to walk back across the floor to Labour now that it looks like they are a better prospect for getting elected.”
I absolutely guarantee it. These people are not political, they’re parasites.
Corrado Mella @ 5:05 pm
“A (colonized) country that consistently returns a majority in favour of Independence must” by implication now be independent. And if it is not yet independent then this means something is seriously, seriously wrong with these elected majorities.
Thankfully postcolonial theory explains the plight of a colonized people, which is due to:
“..corrupt check-licking politicians and subservient judges, .. the obscurers, the inventors of subterfuges, the charlatans and tricksters, the dealers in gobbledygook. And do not seek to know whether personally these gentlemen (and women) are in good or bad faith, whether personally they have good or bad intentions. Whether personally – they are or are not colonialists … because the essential thing is that their highly problematical subjective good faith is entirely irrelevant to the objective social implications of the evil work they perform as watchdogs of colonialism” (Cesaire).
From Glasgow Freeshare group today “I have the first five editions of The National Newspaper. They have been rolled up and sealed in tubes since issue 5 was released on November 28, 2014, to keep them good. There are six of these tubes available for pick up Castlemilk. If you would like them, just message me.” Obviously another adherent losing faith…
I notice the Rev’s montage of pictures including our former Glorious Leader did not contain any of her campaigning in her native Ayrshire.
I hope this is because, here in God’s Orange County, we lang syne found her out. I now find, hitherto loyal Sturgeonites have no time for her. She has now reached a hitherto unachieved level of toxicity.
It would be not beyond your powers to find out what the plump ex-bench moisteners are doing since the election. I’m guessing it’s not pilates or weightwatchers but setting up a born big boned section on the NEC. I wouldn’t even be surprised if that happens. But the SNP finances – I look forward to that dissection.
Anti-Midas touch indeed, Rev.
Am I the only one who wonders what on earth somebody who is
-still a suspect in a live criminal investigation
-the wife of somebody who has been charged with embezzlement and is awaiting trial
-the “leader” under whose stewardship a political party raised and then ‘vanished’ 600,000 pounds of grassroots funds for a referendum they never plan to hold
-the “leader” who brought her own political party down to its knees and from being the most successful party machine she transformed it into a laughing stock.
-the ex-FM, under whose stewardship the Scottish government brought embarrassment to the entire country by enacting a complaints procedure deemed unlawful and tainted with apparent bias
doing as a special guest in a TV entertainment programme?
The same applies to Teflon-woman Lloyd
When did potential criminality, chronic incompetence and systematic failure became the qualities to be sponsored as role models in the eyes of UK broadcasters?
Have broadcasters completely lost their minds or have they been instructed to rehabilitate the duet from hell for a last-minute come back, so they can annihilate any remote chance of a pro-indy majority in the upcoming HR 2026 election?
Or is this just part of the establishment’s strategy to prepare the public for a complete and unadulterated whitewash of the ongoing cases these individuals are involved in?
You really have to wonder what the hell is going on here.
Mia @ 8:25 am
“You really have to wonder what the hell is going on here.”
Criminal conduct may be ‘authorised’ according to the Covert Human Intelligence Sources (Criminal Conduct) Act 2021, where:
“(5) A criminal conduct authorisation is necessary on grounds falling within this subsection if it is necessary—
(a) in the interests of national security;
or
(c) in the interests of the economic well-being of the United
Kingdom.”
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2021/4/pdfs/ukpga_20210004_en.pdf
sam @ 4:29 pm
“Scots language is taught in schools.”
No tae me it wisnae, or tae ma bairns, nor ma grandbairns either. That’s the last 60+ years covered.
Whaur did you go tae the schuil? Whit Scots wirds did ye lairn thair, apairt fae a few lines o Burns aince a year?
There is still yet no Scots Language Higher or Degree, both of which the state provides and supports for Gaelic Language. Gaelic also has full national language authority, a college, a TV channel, a national authority, and an Act of Parliament, and annual funding. Scots language does not have any this.
The colonizer kens fine if a language isnae taught it will be lost. That is clearly the state policy.
A wis taucht Scots hit schuil. A wis taucht thait if a spak hit a wid git a scud tae ma heid or the tawse tae ma hauns.
Sae, naiturally, a didnae spaikit Scots hit the schuil fer lang; no afore techeours or maisters onywey.
An some techeours didnae hauf pit ther herts intae whippin us weans haurd ower wir hauns an airms, aye an wir legs tae, wi laither straps.
Ye hiv tae wunner whit wis wrang in the heids o sic folk thit thay wid awfu abuise wee bairns.
A howp thay thocht it wirth it nou ther aw burnin in Hell.
They might have lost all interest in trying and are coming out wi’ the handiest soundbite not caring who finds it convincing. They may have their heids so far up their ain backsides that they are incapable of seeing themsels as ithers see them. Or, or, or they’ve been sneggin’ the gleg from the beginning doon there and their heids are clean awa’.
It is utterly ridiculous for the SNP to claim that Scotland was busy kicking out Tories so didn’t vote for them – loud and clear everyone , We kicked out a party that didn’t pay any heed to the electorate, pushed through the daft , the deviant and the dodgy policies. A party that didn’t mention independence or take any action for future independence , arsed about and gave credence to Green party idiocy. A party that tried to imprison a previous FM , engineered the imprisonment of Craig Murray , tried the same trick on Mark Hirst, and generally mistreated anyone within the party who disagreed with their dictate.
Vanishing money , nicked from funds which should have been safely protected for indy ref 2.
SNP I loathe what you have become and you did it with NO help.
Doug @5.58pm.
BBC Shortbread news actively seeks out an English voices when its reporting out doors, also its appears to be norm now that when say a museum curator is interviewed by a supposedly Scottish news channel it almost always inevitably turns out to an English person.
Scotland is now swamped with folk from across the border, this has put immeasurable pressure on our public services such as dentists, doctors, and hospitals and social housing.
Its only going to get worse Doug, unless we can stop the flood from down south. In my opinion the tipping point on a indyref against indy has already been reached due to the flood of folk from England moving to Scotland.
For me strict criteria must be implemented for any constitutional vote, sadly there’s no politician out there, or on the horizon that has the balls or acumen to do this.
In my experience, it’s down to people believing their vote has an impact on a GE.
“It looks like Labour might have a chance of beating the Tories in England – I’d better help by voting for Labour, or they might lose!”
I don’t think its much more complicated than that. Nobody has said, or at least convinced them (and the gods know I’ve tried) “What if I told you you don’t have to vote Labour – England gets what England wants regardless of what you vote”
I know I haven’t found anyone who believes their Scottish vote doesn’t help decide a UK government – quite the opposite, they are adamant it does.
So, if you are one of those people and you have been given a sniff of getting rid of a UK Tory government, and told it’s all hands to the pumps – you’re definitely voting Labour, even if you boak.
Who told them it was all hands to the pumps? Well you’ve just read their campaign literature here.
What did the SNP expect, that the electorate would think the SNP could win a UK general election? They’re daft, but not that daft.
@RoS 6.29pm
For me strict criteria must be implemented for any constitutional vote, sadly there’s no politician out there, or on the horizon that has the balls or acumen to do this.
That’s because it’s a crap idea with negligible popular support. No reputable politician wants to be associated with xenophobia, bigotry and blood and soil nativism.
Surely if you’re really convinced your ethno-nationalism is so popular any new party or movement you and the other moonhowlers set up to promote the exclusivist, pure blooded Scotland of your dreams.
How’s that going? didn’t you used to crow about being an Alba member and supporter? I bet you must have loved Alex Salmond pissing all over calls for franchise restriction.
Perhaps you can find a Scottish Farage to push for your wee tartan Belarus?
@Republicofscotland (6.29) –
‘For me strict criteria must be implemented for any constitutional vote, sadly there’s no politician out there, or on the horizon that has the balls or acumen to do this’
Hear hear.
There’s no point in even thinking about another referendum if the franchise stays as-is. We’d lose. The demographics will be even worse for us two years hence.
We need prominent voices such as Alex Salmond, Ash Regan, and of course, our good host to ‘finesse’ their positions on this – the old ‘we have to convince the undecided’ doesn’t cut it because those who’ve bailed out of England to grab a bargain, their own wee slice of Brigadoon, will not be swayed. If anything, they’re becoming emboldened as their numbers grow and they get control of local decision-making at the most fundamental level. They want to have their cake, eat it, and make sure they drop as few crumbs as possible.
If the franchise isn’t changed then we’ll be handing them more power than they already have. And they know it.
Republic 5.58.
Otherwise known as cultural colonialism.
If all our major historical, cultural and educational institutions are run by southerners. Then the very identity of Scotland is eventually erased. This has been going on for 100 years.
The Edinburgh Festival being the prime example. One Scottish director in 70 years! Our Universities, the seats of learning. Are swamped with lecturers and professors from England. Art galleries and museum curators are mainly southerners.
I visited a museum on South Uist and was patronised on gaelic culture by a lady from Surrey. Most of the Gaels are digging the ditches or working in Glasgow. It’s their culture she is using to provide her with an income.
You are correct about BBC Scotland. It’s a novelty and delight when a Scottish accent is heard running something. Because it’s not the normal. They maybe interview 10 people on their vox pops and select 4. Usually at least 2 southerners.
This is what happens when the colonists run your country.
Ellis is so full of shit.
He actively supports & is cheerleader for colonial xenophobes, bigots and blood and soil nativists, terrorists, ethnic cleansers, illegal invasions & apartheid.
I bet he has a sheet & a torch..
& BTW, Herr Flick, Salmond doesn’t speak for Sovereign Scots. A franchise will be decided by Scots. Not by a single politician who thinks they know better. He’s not up for listening? Well he’ll remain going nowhere if he thinks we’re going to listen to any more of that “Gold standard” pish we’ve heard since 2014.
You won’t be on any convention so go sit down.
There is a large English population in some rural areas but they have a minimal effect on elections when compared to urban areas.
However I would bet that there are far more Scots in England than the other way round. Should these guys all come back?
I know when I tried to hire staff some years ago on the west coast around 50% of then moved up from various parts of england because there simply was not many locals that either wanted the jobs or had the skills.
It’s a fact of life that many folk from rural areas leave for the south for education or work and just don’t come back.
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DavidT
Ignored says:
13 July, 2024 at 3:45 am
It seems strange, to me at any rate, that SNP MSPs thought things like ULEZ, increasing MUP to almost £19.00 for a bottle of whisky, and Matheson would not affect the chances of their MPs being re-elected. I am surprised they even have nine left.
I find it breathtaking that the Party for Independence thinks it can simply abandon Independence and suffer no consequences.
If there was a Darwin Award for political parties, winning it seems the only conceivable victory within the SNP’s grasp.
There are major questions/ suspicions precisely how such a successful party on top of its game, returning 56 out of 59 MP’s can systematically turn itself inside out and betray the people of Scotland who actually want Independence, but it’s more important that we get Independence back on the front foot rather than worrying about the SNP’s recent decent into darkness.
The truth will out eventually, probably once the trials begin, and the Alphabetties crack under interrogation. But that doesn’t seem imminent, given the UK Establishment and Crown Office “individuals” still think Sturgeon and Co have their uses.
But it isn’t going away.
@Ian Bloddandsoilhood 9.43am
We need prominent voices such as Alex Salmond, Ash Regan, and of course, our good host to ‘finesse’ their positions on this…
Good luck with that! I know Alex Salmond think’s it’s a crap idea. He said as much in an Alba meeting in Edinburgh on 6th August 2022 which I attended, saying:
“I hear people talking about restricting franchises incidentally. I have to say I don’t like it much. Our franchise should be everybody in Scotland. Because, you know if the franchise in 2014 had been restricted to Asian Scots we’d have won in a landslide.”
Looks like you might have your work cut out there. How many Scots do you think are going to weigh up his words and those of the xenophobes and bigots in here and agree with the latter? Awa’ and gie yer heid a rattle!
As for Rev Stu, he can doubtless speak for himself. Oh…wait…he already has on Twatter back in 2022:
If you want to deny 20% of the people who live in Scotland the vote in a referendum because they were born somewhere else, we’re not on the same side. If you want their votes, fucking well persuade them. If you can’t, your case is shit.
And stop whining that by saying this I’m trying to “shut down debate”. I have no power and no desire to stop you debating it. You can debate it all you want. I’m not reporting you to Twitter or the police. I’m just not interested.
We debated this in 2011 and we came to the right decision. Nothing has happened that justifies abandoning that principle in my view. You can’t just disenfranchise people because you think they’ll vote the wrong way.
As well as being morally wrong, it’s almost certainly self-defeating. The Scotland you’d be trying to sell people under that franchise is a very different place to the one we were advocating in 2014, and very much for the worse.
That, of course, is true in many ways. If we got a referendum tomorrow I don’t in all honesty know if I could bring myself to campaign in it, because it’d be a *de facto* campaign for Nicola Sturgeon’s vision of a hellish, intolerant, incompetent and corrupt Scotland.
But that’s not a decision I need to lose sleep over, because we’re not getting a referendum tomorrow, or next year, or the year after that, or the year after that.
But I’ve officially lost any urge to even think about it, if even the people opposed to that awful vision just have a different kind of awful vision, of a country where only “ethnic Scots” have a say. Bollocks to that.
The idea that the independence movement is so weak that it can’t construct a pro-independence majority from the >80% of native born Scots and the pro-independence New Scots is for the birds. You only have to look at the language of the intellectual barrel scraping in here who support franchise restrictions and rail against furriners and incomers: they’d gladden the heart of Farage and Reform and will get the same cold shoulder from any right thinking Scot.
Oh do shut up, Ellis
The UK heavily restricts even simple general elections & is going to restrict council elections too. Both restricted to residency. 10 yrs+.
So away & peddle yer lies elsewhere. Scots would NOT have a vote if they were to hold an independence referendum.
No sane country has people who’ve just arrived off a bus a vote on constitutional referendums unless they’re a fucking moron who is deliberately throwing the vote to NEVER win.
YOU won’t be deciding. Neither will Alex Salmond.
He bangs on about “Scots Sovereignty” & Scots “Claim of Right” then apparently wants to give that away to a student/migrant worker here five minutes who will probably fuck off a year later back to their OWN country. Scotland is hardly bursting with opportunities for them eh?
The people who will decide are the people who’ve lived here 10 yrs+ Get used to it. Only yoons want an open rigged election & the britnats are renowned the world over for it.
I don’t think there’ll be a referendum on Scottish independence. I think the treaty will be terminated & any future referendum will be one on REJOINING where the UK would be forced to present the benefits.
Salmond needs to clarify his position in a statement & he needs to get passed 2014. It wasn’t a gold standard event. It was a massive failure in every regard. Not just the franchise but the idiocy of having a referendum on a domestic franchise & fck all ever in legal writing.
“Are you really blaming ‘the english’ for the crumbling services? I’ve read some nonsense on various forums but that has to be up there.
I suppose that it must be the same down south, with the hordes of Scots flooding their services as well, desperate to get away from the pish here.”
Ross.
The English are largest demographic group moving to Scotland, and although Scottish services were in a state of decline, the influx of many folk from South of the border has only exacerbated this.
We in Scotland have absolutely no say on who can and cannot move to Scotland, that is controlled by the foreign country of England.
As for Scots moving South and putting pressure on English services that is far less potent as Scotland only has a much smaller population and smaller numbers of folk moving South where their are more services in a country of at least 50 million to our 5.5 million and less services.
The influx of folk from South of the border must be reduced or the pressures on our public services will only become greater and to do this we need the powers of government, power that all other governments around the globe have and take for granted.
Infact Scotland will continue to go into decline until we ditch this illegal union, for no country can grow and prosper without ALL the levers and domestic powers a government needs to keep a country on a level keel. We can’t have a foreign country’s government (England) interfere or have reserved powers that all other governments around the globe take for granted.
Our oil and gas has been stolen for decades and now our wind and water renewable energies are and have been sold off for a pittance, we host a foreign country’s nuclear weapons, this foreign country steals hundreds of millions from Scotland every day using smart accounting tricks, our languages, culture and history have all been sidelined and replaced by those of this foreign neighbour with help from a plethora of well paid House Jocks, or English folk parachuted into gatekeeping positions.
Sean Clerkin once held a banner up at the border which said England out of Scotland or something similar the English media in Scotland (that’s all of it that pretends its Scottish) berated the guy but Clerkin was canny enough back then to know the score that English folk are flooding in Scotland, many old retirees with a bundle of cash that they sold a modest house for crazy money in London and the surrounding areas, they can buy a castle or such in Scotland with the profits, they want to live out the Brigadoon life or what’s left of it in Scotland, whilst putting incredible pressure on our public services.
Scotland is Fucked unless it can shut that gate, or at the very least take control of it.
Ian Brotherhood @9.430pm.
Ian.
I don’t even think Salmond or Reagan has it in them to do what’s required to rid Scotland of this illegal union. In my opinion there’s not a politician in Scotland yet that has what it takes to do what is required to free Scotland from England’s cold deathly grip.
Salmond held an indyref in 2014, and for me he got the constitutional voting franchise all wrong, sadly I think he’d probably repeat that mistake again even though the demographics against Scotland ridding itself from England are even further against us with the further influx of folk from down South.
Some will say I’m Anglophobe, let them, for me its all about the restoration of Scotland, and whatever it takes to achieve that, the other option is unthinkable that Scotland slowly but surely is held fast in the illegal union for another 300+ years as the demographics tips fully away from us and Scotland fate is accepted.
Of course the foreign media and its lickspittle mouthpieces online like to soften this blow to Scotland by calling these folk New Scots, and in the minds of many Scots that translates to, och they’ll vote for indy when the time comes, but as the 2014 indyref showed most didn’t.
Sadly many Scots are still trapped in what Alf calls the colonial mindset, their minds need decolonised, the foreign media (Scotland has non media to speak of) help reinforce this deceitful practice in many ways, from reporting that the English king is our king when he isn’t, to that we should vote in England’s GE, when its clearly not a Scottish election.
Scots need to start questioning to status quo before its too late, my elderly neighbour looked at me as though I had two heids when I told him about the McCrone Report, and that when you look out at Carnoustie Golf Course which is well inside the Scottish border you are looking out at English waters that were stolen from Scotland with the flick of a pen.
He was further shocked when I mentioned the Claim of Right and what it stood for he had no idea.
@Ian Bloodandsoilhood 2.02pm
So, ‘Engerlish’ gammons and nativists who have a few bob and can afford a wee but ‘n ben ‘up north’ should be permitted to vote on Scotland’s future?
Absolutely. Them’s the breaks. Unless you’re planning to have some future Scottish nationalist administration you approve of make windows in to people’s souls? Any other “out groups” you’d be excluding Ian?
Unless you and yer wee posse of xenophobes, bigots and sub-Faragist celtic gammons are going to suddenly convince the majority of ordinary Scots to support your deeply regressive worldview, and then ALSO convince the international community that it is proportionate for Scotland (virtually alone of all the countries who have had self determination referendums) to exclude several hundred thousand residents because *furriners!* you’re on a hiding to nothing.
Worse, you’re indefinitely postponing the achievement of independence in reality (rather than in the Brigadoon Belarusia of your wet dreams) because most right thinking Scots would never support a state based on such vile bigotry.
You and your muckers represent a fringe within an already insignificant bunch pedalling sophomoric wedge issue politics with negligible public support. Long may that continue!
“Denmark is already an independent state. When Scotland is an independent state, it will naturally have it’s own citizenship criteria and regulations about who is entitled to vote.
Peoples who are fighting for their independence via self determination are by definition not able to control who lives within the territory of the state they want to create.”
Ellis.
You forget that Scotland is a country an older country than England that is in an illegal union, held together by smoke and mirrors and some treacherous House Jocks.
There is no union.
https://yoursforscotlandcom.wordpress.com/2024/06/02/fictional-kingdom-fraudulent-state-2/
If we had the right people in place today we could set whatever criteria we wanted to, and there’s not a thing that Westminster could do about it, all that’s stopping this from happening is House Jock gatekeepers at Holyrood.
Once its widely exposed that the union is a lie and never existed in the first place (read the link) the English security services, which are NOT a friend to Scotland but an enemy in which one of their remits is to thwart Scots from finding out the truth about the union (they have created fake Salvo and Liberation websites) and Wingate W*nkers like you and Clansman are tasked with playing down The Claim of Right and any possibility of Scotland going it alone without stipulated criteria.
The foreign media in Scotland (Scotland has NO media to speak of) also plays its part in reinforcing the lie that the union exists when it doesn’t. I’ve yet to see any MSM news programme mention the CoR or any supposedly BBC/STV political programme debate it, most Scots are unaware that the union is a lie and the foreign media plays its part to keep it that way.
English governments are no friends to Scotland they’ve perpetuated the lie of the union for 300+ years and robbed Scotland blind using the myth of the union.
No “criteria” is required to leave something that we were never part of in the first place.
Colonialism is regarded as a crime against humanity and those working to perpetuate colonialism are complicit.
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