Even 10 years on, the feeling of utter despair at seeing the Yoons voting against Scotland being an independent nation in its own right still lingers.
What hurts even more is witnessing the utter betrayal by Nicola and her cronies pretending to champion the independence movement and their actions hurt way more than the Yoons voting NO, at least they were honest.
10 years on, we are in an even worse state by remaining in the Union, if only…the lasting comment.
If Only…
Fine Keith, bring it on. You are right of course. S30 is dead, so is another indyref. So is the franchise for that. Let’s ALL move on. Constitutional convention, fine again, but not another SNP Talking Shop, and many more year wasted kicking the can down the road.. I think SALVO and our Sovereignty has to have some merit. Our freedom will come from left field or somewhere else presently out of sight. It will not come from the current crop of failed politicians, and here I include them all, every last one of them. You all played the WM game and by their rules, so you are of no use to us.The people have to have a way to rise up and take this by the neck and get us free of the colonial yoke, before they drain us completely with their closure of our only refinery (and the opening of 5 new ones down south), the freeports robbing us further, the ongoing tory austerity run by tory lite aka labour, and on and on.We can’t afford to wait, we must act now. We the people, us sovereign Scots. So, yes Keith, you are right. Now get the f**k out of the way.
For something that was unsustainable ten years ago, Westminster saying no to another Section 30 order has lasted well. This stance has seen off Sturgeon, Yousaf and over 50 troughers such as Blackford, Black, Cherry, Shepherd, Smith and others too-inconsequential to mention
But fear not, Smith is already eyeing a possible return to the European Parliament, and Weak Pishfart is still on the green benches looking after Number One’s interests.
When is our political class going to waken-up, smell the coffee and accept, we have to somehow circumvent Westminster and take back our Independence, before the English bleed us completely dry.
We need a national Plan B, and we need it sooner rather than later.
Summary:
Keith Brown, “Westminster will never agree to another IndyRef, but that does not mean the SNP can’t keep asking for one even though we know they will always say ‘NO’. Anyway it is all the YES movement’s fault”.
Conclusion: Gobsmacking fuckwittery.
They’d never allow another referendum cause they didn’t really win the last one. They’d to rig it. They’d never have honoured it either. According to the UK government it was just a glorified opinion poll. The cash cow was/is never going to just mosey on out of its barn. Its not in the colonisers best interests.
A convention is an excellent idea, but not one that barks endlessly at Westminster, but one that actually gets off it’s lard arse & goes international. Mingling with the international community.
Its states that recognise other states. Not permission slips from our colonising masters.
& Have the hapless SNP nowhere near it or it really will be another ten years of all talk & no action.
I’m a tech sort of guy. Been messing around with LLMs, but locally, downloaded onto the PC; get a copy of Ollama, install it and run it from the command line. A terminal comes up, run a model – I have LLama3.1 8B, the smallest. Quite impressive. Howsabout this : >>> is my question, the rest is the answer
>>> HOW SHOULD AN INDIGENOUS PEOPLE CONDUCT A NATIONAL LIBERATION STRUGGLE IN ORDER TO DRIVE OUT A COLONISING OCCUPIER
Conducting a national liberation struggle against a colonizing occupier requires careful planning, coordination, and execution. Indigenous peoples have successfully employed various tactics throughout history, adapting to their unique contexts and circumstances.
**Understanding the Context:**
Before embarking on a national liberation struggle, it’s essential to:
* **Gather intelligence**: Understand the occupier’s strengths, weaknesses, interests, and potential responses.
* **Build alliances**: Form connections with other affected communities, organizations, and international bodies that can provide support.
* **Develop a clear understanding of local history and culture**: This will help in crafting a compelling narrative for the struggle and ensure that the movement is rooted in the community’s experiences.
**Strategic Approaches:**
1. **Non-violent resistance**: Employ non-cooperation, civil disobedience, boycotts, and other forms of peaceful protest to challenge the occupier.
2. **Armed struggle**: If deemed necessary, engage in armed self-defense or guerrilla warfare to protect communities and disrupt the occupier’s control.
3. **International solidarity**: Build connections with international organizations, governments, and civil society groups that can provide diplomatic, economic, or military support.
4. **Cultural preservation and revitalization**: Foster a strong sense of identity and cultural heritage among community members to inspire and motivate the struggle.
**Key Principles:**
1. **Decentralized decision-making**: Involve diverse stakeholders in decision-making processes to ensure representation and accountability.
2. **Community-led initiatives**: Prioritize community-driven projects, allowing local leaders to take ownership and make decisions that align with their needs.
3. **Respect for human rights**: Uphold international human rights standards, even when facing intense resistance from the occupier.
**Challenges and Opportunities:**
1. **Countering propaganda**: Develop effective counter-narratives to challenge the occupier’s misinformation campaigns.
2. **Managing internal conflicts**: Establish clear communication channels and conflict resolution mechanisms to maintain unity within the movement.
3. **Balancing short-term gains with long-term goals**: Prioritize strategic, incremental progress over immediate victories.
**International Support:**
1. **United Nations involvement**: Engage with UN agencies, special rapporteurs, and other relevant bodies to raise awareness about human rights abuses and seek international support.
2. **Diplomatic pressure**: Encourage foreign governments to exert diplomatic pressure on the occupier to respect indigenous peoples’ rights and interests.
**Conclusion:**
A national liberation struggle against a colonizing occupier requires careful planning, strategic execution, and a deep understanding of local context and history. By prioritizing community-led initiatives, decentralized decision-making, and respect for human rights, indigenous peoples can build strong foundations for their struggle.
So how do we, as an equal partner in this voluntary union, ever get to leave? Wait until there’s an uprising down south to kick the sponging Jocks out? Looks like it.
Confused @ 2.49pm
An interesting read. While pondering it quite a few historical liberation movements came to mind.
As for us and history, appealing to the international community; way back in the day that used be the Pope and the English were notorious for trying to nobble that particular “supreme” court avenue for us.
What to expect again I reckon, probably why they are so keen on organisations where they have the ridiculously undemocratic veto.
Inspired by Vivian O’Blivian’s comment @ 3:42 pm, which my research suggests translates as “Against stupidity, the gods themselves battle in vain”, I have just come across the following not unrelated material on a site called ‘Plato’s Cave’ —
« “Those who are able to see beyond the shadows and lies of their culture will never be understood, let alone believed, by the masses.” – Plato
« BONHOEFFER ON STUPIDITY
« (The following is taken from a circular letter, addressing many topics, written to three friends and co-workers in the conspiracy against Hitler, on the tenth anniversary of Hitler’s accession to the chancellorship of German. Dietrich Bonhoeffer was hanged by Adolf Hitler in 1945.)
« ‘Stupidity is a more dangerous enemy of the good than malice. One may protest against evil; it can be exposed and, if need be, prevented by use of force. Evil always carries within itself the germ of its own subversion in that it leaves behind in human beings at least a sense of unease. Against stupidity we are defenseless. Neither protests nor the use of force accomplish anything here; reasons fall on deaf ears; facts that contradict one’s prejudgment simply need not be believed- in such moments the stupid person even becomes critical – and when facts are irrefutable they are just pushed aside as inconsequential, as incidental. In all this the stupid person, in contrast to the malicious one, is utterly self-satisfied and, being easily irritated, becomes dangerous by going on the attack. For that reason, greater caution is called for than with a malicious one. Never again will we try to persuade the stupid person with reasons, for it is senseless and dangerous.
« ‘If we want to know how to get the better of stupidity, we must seek to understand its nature. This much is certain, that it is in essence not an intellectual defect but a human one. There are human beings who are of remarkably agile intellect yet stupid, and others who are intellectually quite dull yet anything but stupid. We discover this to our surprise in particular situations. The impression one gains is not so much that stupidity is a congenital defect, but that, under certain circumstances, people are made stupid or that they allow this to happen to them. We note further that people who have isolated themselves from others or who live in solitude manifest this defect less frequently than individuals or groups of people inclined or condemned to sociability. And so it would seem that stupidity is perhaps less a psychological than a sociological problem. It is a particular form of the impact of historical circumstances on human beings, a psychological concomitant of certain external conditions.
« Upon closer observation, it becomes apparent that every strong upsurge of power in the public sphere, be it of a political or of a religious nature, infects a large part of humankind with stupidity. It would even seem that this is virtually a sociological-psychological law. The power of the one needs the stupidity of the other. The process at work here is not that particular human capacities, for instance, the intellect, suddenly atrophy or fail. Instead, it seems that under the overwhelming impact of rising power, humans are deprived of their inner independence, and, more or less consciously, give up establishing an autonomous position toward the emerging circumstances.
« The fact that the stupid person is often stubborn must not blind us to the fact that he is not independent. In conversation with him, one virtually feels that one is dealing not at all with a person, but with slogans, catchwords and the like that have taken possession of him. He is under a spell, blinded, misused, and abused in his very being. Having thus become a mindless tool, the stupid person will also be capable of any evil and at the same time incapable of seeing that it is evil. This is where the danger of diabolical misuse lurks, for it is this that can once and for all destroy human beings.
« ‘Yet at this very point it becomes quite clear that only an act of liberation, not instruction, can overcome stupidity. Here we must come to terms with the fact that in most cases a genuine internal liberation becomes possible only when external liberation has preceded it. Until then we must abandon all attempts to convince the stupid person. This state of affairs explains why in such circumstances our attempts to know what ‘the people’ really think are in vain and why, under these circumstances, this question is so irrelevant for the person who is thinking and acting responsibly. The word of the Bible that the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom declares that the internal liberation of human beings to live the responsible life before God is the only genuine way to overcome stupidity.
« ‘But these thoughts about stupidity also offer consolation in that they utterly forbid us to consider the majority of people to be stupid in every circumstance. It really will depend on whether those in power expect more from people’s stupidity than from their inner independence and wisdom.’
« – Dietrich Bonhoeffer, from ‘After Ten Years’ in Letters and Papers from Prison (Dietrich Bonhoeffer Works/English, vol. 8) Minneapolis, MN: Fortress Press, 2010. »
Who was it now that said that the definition of insanity was doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result.
But who is it that has the insanity. Is it Sturgeon and the mickey mouse team who keep saying that refusal is unsustainable but do nothing. Or is it the hapless voters who hitherto believed Sturgeon and her Minnie Mouse team.
The ones that are clearly not insane are the parade of English prime ministers running from Theresa May to Sir Keir Starmer who are empowered to ding valid democratic expression.
Run along now folks and take your beating like a dog. We are the masters, not you Jock. And you know what, that is what we accept.
But that is why moving forward the electorate must wipe out this useless, independence resisting SNP and put their democratic mandate against another mechanism.
Just reading this article makes one realise just how misled and disregarded the Scottish electorate has been.
Scotland is being treated like a colony. Election victories ignored, mandates rejected.
The grim cold hard truth is that Scotland is being treated as a colony and so we must seek decolonisation through the UN like previous colonies of the UK.
That has a proven history of success. It is a long road but it is probably the best chance of eventually getting another referendum.
Jamie says: Scotland is being treated like a colony.
Scotland IS a colony. England owns Scotland. We pay our taxes to them, they determine whether we are at war, whether we are in the EU, they control our media, they can close down our wee parliament any time they choose etc etc. We are England’s colonial possession every bit as much as India or Egypt was.
That few people in Scotland recognise that basic fact shows how indoctrinated we are and how far we have to go.
The only thing that these 10 years have given us is knowledge. Thanks in the main to Salvo, we know now that we don’t need to ask for our independence, we can take it. Indeed it’s the only way we will restore our independence. It’s time to stop asking. It’s time to take.
It’s what Project Arbroath is all about.
According to the National, Keith Brown said that “independence campaigners have got to accept Scotland will never be granted another referendum through requesting one and Yes supporters must take the matter into our own hands”
I have a several issues with this.
1. Independence campaigners realised several years ago, some of them even on 19 September 2014 already, that we would never be “granted” an independence referendum by the imperial power if we simply begged for it. Independence supporters knew we had to reassert and exercise our right to claim it and grab it. That is why we sent 56 SNP MPs in 2015, 35 in 2017 and 45 in 2019. That besides giving the SNP the biggest share of the seats in Holyrood. What we expected was not to listen to their neverending and useless waffle and whining, nor to use those majorities and 10 years of our time to polish with their fat arses the leather from Westminster and Holyrood seats. We expected them to use those majorities to terminate the union, not to contribute like good useful idiots to UK governance or to legitimise with their presence in those parliaments, the continuous abuse and exploitation of Scotland by Westminster. We did not elect any of them so they could embarrass and insult Scotland with their weakness, ignorance, lack of drive, cowardice and frankly continuous demeaning of Scotland by deliberately ignoring its real status as a co-signatory of the treaty and instead continue to treat Scotland as if it was the property of the Kingdom of England.
It seems to me that the only ones who, allegedly, did not realise of that, or expect we believe they did not, were Nicola Sturgeon, her over inflated army of very expensive and inefficient special advisers, the SNP higher echelons, feasting on their corruption and contempt for the people of Scotland and the SNP MPs and MSPs who simply looking the other way while Sturgeon and her SNP stabbed the yes movement in the back and pissed all over our democratic mandates.
2. Mr Brown says we would never be “granted” a referendum. “Granted”? What right does Westminster or the UK government, both byproducts of the Treaty of Union and therefore subordinated to Scotland’s continuous consent for this union to go on, to grant anything? It is beyond stupid to ask/beg for something you already own. But it is even more stupid to completely waste 10 years of your precious time plus ginormous majorities you will never get back, waiting for something that will never arrive. I find it beyond disappointing that a party of those who call themselves nationalists use this kind of servile language which does nothing other than diminish Scotland’s real status in this union and instead reaffirm it as a colony.
3. Yes, when it comes to politicians I am an unashamed cynic and will always be one. But am I the only one that on reading Brown’s expression that “Yes supporters must take the matter into our own hands” suspects Mr Brown is trying to deceive us now into transferring all the work to push for independence to the grassroots leaving SNP MPs and MSPs free of any responsibility so they can continue as the useful idiots of the British State bathing in the gravy train as they have been doing for the last 10 years?
Well, Mr Brown, if SNP MPs and MSPs like yourself expect the grassroots to do all the work your party should have done in the last 10 years, what exactly is the point of voting for any of you at all? I mean, it is not like your party’s record of governance has been one to be proud of, is it?
I think Mr Brown is hinting here to the fact that the SNP as a party will never ever rock the establishment and will never ever do anything at all to end this union. They will continue like the good useful idiots they have behaved as, swearing allegiance to the English monarch and legitimising with their presence in the English parliament the abuse and exploitation of Scotland.
4. If Mr Brown is finally acknowledging that the SNP is not going to call a referendum, when are the SNP higher echelons going to start returning the £600,000 they own to all those supporters who gave that money in good faith FOR A REFERENDUM?
The chances of ever getting another referendum like the last one are slim to vanishingly rare, if not utterly impossible. For starters, the circumstances are very, very different now, and the British state has learned its lesson.
Cameron was desperate to get it past and done with before Brexit, and, in each case, he did not believe, at least initially, that he would lose. The thing is, and this is a lesson for the English who were anti Brexiteers, but pro Unionists, had Scotland gone in 2014, there would be no Brexit now and Scotland and England would both be in Europe.
The past is the past and we cannot resurrect it, so we need completely new tactics next time. No referendum unless it is a ratifying one AFTER independence. Next time, it has to be a combination of constitutional and legal steps, and political ones. That will mean that we will have to TAKE our independence and not hope that it will fall into our laps. It will almost certainly end up by being a UDI.
As for stupidity, I do believe it is contagious, like a rampant virus. Anyone in politics now who was infected and may still be by the ‘woke/trans’ virus needs to be removed. We cannot have people who are susceptible to this ordure, for whatever reason, in positions of authority and able to influence governance. Most ‘woke’; beliefs are eminently stupid and eminently open to being demolished by reason and logic.
Instead, we have allowed sentiment without any leavening of reason complete autonomy to wreak havoc in every institution in the UK and all for unsustainable ‘woke’ targets and paraphilias and fetishes. It would appear that the opportunity for untrammelled sex of every description defies all reason, if the past few years are anything by which to judge.
As our very own David Hume – the statue of whom the naive and, basically stupid to the point of imbecility younglings with the keffiyehs and ‘decapitate terfs’ banners – explained so lucidly almost 300 years ago, feelings without the keen edge of reason do untold harm. As human beings, we are a species wedded to feelings, but, because we have advanced and evolved to use our reason, one without the other is doomed to the hamster wheel of progress and to ultimate regression and chaos.
When ‘feelz’ alone are used deliberately to harm others and to enforce coercion and control (totalitarianism) such as the ‘trans’ movement’s position, those who have sense (intelligence married to critical thinking) very quickly see through the charade. As that very famous American President once said: “You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you cannot fool all of the people all of the time”. The politicians, the corporates and the ‘trans’ lobby should take note because the retribution will come for them. Oh, and the utterly stupid to the point of being devoid of actual life females who support all this complete bull***t at the behest of malevolent, at best, and utterly psychopathic, at worst, males, need to look at themselves as brain-dead robots, not as fully-functioning human beings.
I heard an English guy from Bitter together on BBC shortbread. Saying he found it hard to get in the head of a Yes voter. He talked about his nation…he probably meant the UK.
I do not expect an English person to get inside my head. They don’t have a right to tell me how I feel about my nation. The whole purpose of independence is not money or personal gain. Countries seek independence because they have a cultural identity, and that’s the starting point of all nations.
Without identity, there would be no debate to be had. Scotland is my nation, for richer or poorer.
I heard that clown Bell arguing about making the case for independence. It was all about currency, the EU and economics. Not once did he mention culture, identity and history.
This is a bland crude basis for independence. We will never win an argument over money. Because it’s all theoretical,and unable to be proven.
We need to move on from the sterile debate of 2014. The Yes side got unwittingly dragged into a monetary debate. There are lies on both sides, but 80% of the no side was hocum when it came to economics. But they scared enough pensioners and straw men to have them run for the hills.
We can’t win this by playing Westminsters game. The SNP was not formed on the basis of money. It was formed on the basis of shared identity, and the dream of having our own nation.
Scotland will become England by 2030. It’s done. Sold out. SNP were infiltrated after Salmond left and have been working against Scotland ever since. They have not won a single argument, let alone a concession from WM for anything. They’ve betrayed Scotland like true unionists and have ran away with lots of money and a fat pension. Stu and many others have warned about the SNP for years and were ignored. I’m abroad and heartbroken. I wanted to retire in an independent Scotland. Now, I’ll never return to Scotland again. It won’t exist. It will only be on biscuit tins and dewy-eyed ‘real-Scots-but’ will get all emotional and jump into a kilt on St Andrews Day and Hogmanay every year to declare their undying love for the Old Country. The barking mad heedrum-hodrums will have cosplay marches every so often and sing about sending somebody homeward to think again ad nauseam. A real tragedy. I’m done.
Confused @2:49pm
“National liberation Struggle” – sounds like it was trained by scraping Craig Murray and Alf Baird posts. Ask it how to get out of an abusive marriage to see if it comes up with something closer to reality.
Dullards like Keith Brown have no clue. Everyone is searching for the magic button that when pushed once will set us free – it doesn’t exist. Think more along the lines of “how can I get this Alien off my face with out dying”.
Scotland and England share the same house and the question is how to divide it up when Scotland’s part is bigger and has the best views. Address the problem in those terms and you’ll make more progress.
Just as well I can’t be anymore hurt than I was at 4.25am on the 19th September.
This was always coming with the current SNP as it stands today.
Maybe today will be the day that those blindly follow the SNP will finally wake the fuck.
We have more hope that Santa is real than the SNP members wake up.
My Granny, an SNP member of 60 years resigned her membership in 2019 when she eventually understood that it was never going to happen under Nicola’s leadership.
Nicola and her acolytes are lucky that they will never see my Granny’s face of utter betrayal in her eyes.
Just like that scene in Braveheart when Wallace sees the betrayal of Robert the Bruce and is distraught, confused and complete shock.
we need to update those Peanuts Charlie Brown and Lucy with the football memes to have Lucy burst the ball with a knife, throw it in a furnace and say GTF Charlie Brown
Regan’s proposal is the only way left in the short term for a second referendum. It’d even possibly boost the SNP’s support in 2026 even to the point of giving them a clear majority. Considering there’s no way in hell Starmer, or any UK PM, will grant a section 30, what else can be done?
But no, the SNP and Greens vote it down meaning effectively there’s no chance of a second referendum happening this decade, or realistically, the next decade or two as well. Indy will now eternally be something the SNP wave as a carrot to those voters still taken in by them, while the Greens might mention independence in between simping for abusive men and advocating for child mutilation.
A decade ago it could have been totally different but what’s done is done. The Yes movement hasn’t recovered, or indeed, dealt with defeat barring some pockets of sanity while the Unionists have done exactly what we all expected.
The last decade has seen the independence movement being hollowed out, with people who still bleat on about ‘SNP1 & 2 or SAINT NICOLA’ while on the other extreme it’s all MI5 conspiracies and ‘TEH YOONS!!’. It’s a miserable place to be in considering all the possibilities of that campaign.
As for Ross Greer, I’m convinced he’ll end his career in flames as all the stuff he’s managed to get away with comes and bites him hard on the arse. Greer, like many supposed Yessers in the Greens, isn’t interested in independence unless it comes with people like him being in positions of power.
I think what we have in front of us is very clear and has been clear for quite sometime:
Every single Scottish MP and MSP have sworn allegiance to the English monarch. Every single one of them. The moment they swear that allegiance they are no longer our representatives. They become crown minions who will never ever do anything at all to end the union. Instead, they will deceive, betray, punish, lie, cheat, etc to ensure this union and their gravy train continues.
That vote today has demonstrated it beyond any possible doubt. ALL political parties bar ALBA sit on the exact same side: the side of the union. It also has demonstrated that Holyrood, in its present form, is not Scotland’s parliament and never will be. It is the English monarch’s mini-me parliament.
The path we have to follow to end the union is clear:
We must overrule all the bastards who, claiming they were going to seek independence on our behalf, have chosen instead to do the exact opposite and have sided with the colonial power, against Scotland, to block every possible avenue at our disposal to get independence.
Fck them all. Fck the betrayers and lying spineless sacks of shit. Fck elections. They are completely pointless. What is the use of electing representatives when, as soon as they get a sight of the seat, they no longer act as our representatives and instead become instigators and punishers working on behalf of the crown to stop independence and continue the ransacking of Scotland?
If you are going to cast a vote, do so for a candidate on an abstentionist mandate. One who will not take the seat. One who will not swear allegiance to the English monarch and who instead ditch the Scotland Act, reconvene the old Scottish parliament and revoke the treaty of union.
If no candidate like that is available, then spoiling the ballot is the way to go. If we want independence, there is absolutely no point whatsoever in continuing to send crown representatives to either Westminster or HOlyrood.
The scenic routes to independence have all been deliberately closed. The direct one is the one left. Time to use it.
The Irish have showed us the way for more than a century. Yet, the useless representatives we elected have wasted the last 10 years of our time deliberately driving us into a cul the sack while force-feeding us with their stupid self-id and gender identity bullcrap.
When the game has been deliberately set against us, the only way for us to win is by not playing.
Damn all them to the deepest hell.
I’m feeling sick thinking of all the time (actual F’ing months of my life) that I’ve spent helping these charlatan cowards.
My saving grace? I can up sticks and leave whenever I want.
It’ll be difficult for some good friends I’ve made on the way, but my patience has run out.
If nothing major happens during winter, I’ll be out in spring, taking my 45 years of high tech knowledge, skills and expertise away, leaving a technological desert in this part of Scotland.
Hell mend them.
Not that surprising other than a very clear shedding of any vague pretense of the SNP in any form seeking to achieve independence.
Perhaps the work to be done is to figure out how to adequately inform everyone still supporting the SNP in the hope of independence that it is no longer what they once understood to be, to the extent that they – finally – abandon it, and have a ready and effective alternative.
I mean apart from the fckn Herculean efforts of Stuart, and a couple of other hard working bloggers and commentators, I don’t know how that gets into the public mind.
Mebbe it’s time for Alba to take a more aggressive and declarative approach?
In about 50 yrs time documents will be released by Kew to reveal how each & every one of them folded like a cheap suit.
The security services said Boo! & they shat themselves & I can think of another who’d pay copious amounts of cash to take Indy off the table permanently.
Dear Scotland. Please wake the fck up & get them out of Holyrood & especially Ross Greer – the constant ‘whats in it for me’ spoiler to anything independence related. What is the actual point of that fuckwit? Anyone know?
SNP has zero point being in Holyrood. Surely it’s time for independents to organise & wipe them out.
Seriously, the SNP are just a pile of utter sh*te now. Liards, frauds and charlatans, each and every one. They have f*ck all plan for independence, and seem hell bent on closing down anybody who does. As for the Ross Greer p*sh amendment(for that is what it is), we do NOT need ‘green independence, ‘pink independence, or any other type of nonsense, we just need Scottish independence.
Things like the monarchy or green policies or development are things as a country Scotland gets to decide AFTER we are independent. You will NEVER gain indepdence by excluding folk who DON”T support green policies. This is just another pet nonsense policy by the wholly irrelevant ‘green trans’ party. Designed DELIBERATELY to cause division within the independence movement.
AS an aside, I see politicians and so-called ‘journalists’, constantly referring to a ‘just transition‘ to net zero. Not one single journalist has asked any of them what EXACTLY a ‘just transition’ even means.
“Hey you’ve lost your job at Grangemouth, and are losing your house, but don’t fret, it’s ok, because it is a ‘just transition‘ to net zero, says John Swinney and the SNP.” WTF??
As for the SNP, I think today they just guaranteed their death at the next Scottish election. Cannot come too soon.
18 September, 2024 at 11:01 pm
Alan. That’s true,but the Scots are like a beaten dog. Afraid of their own shadow, afraid to upset their masters.
Most only want independence, if it can be delivered by BACS, and doesn’t involve breaking sweat. Only about 30% of this nation would actually fight for their nations liberty.
We beg for scraps like children at a grown ups party. Independence was offered on a plate in 2014. Yet only 45% were brave enough to tick a box. Yes I know 52% of indigenous Scots voted yes. But it should have been 82%.
Now we only seem to want independence as a theoretical concept. A utopian dream , that shall forever live in the heads of lily livered politicians.
If we were serious about independence, the SNP wouldn’t have been able to stop us. That they did , suggests we just like being victims.
It’s this victim mentality that is killing our nation. A victim is only a victim until they stand up to an oppressor. Starmer is in charge. He will capture all Scotlands assets. GB energy, closing our only refinery, then the water.
The UK economy is in freefall. When that happens , the vampire will suck every last bit of it’s hosts blood.
Scotland is in a worse position than 1979. Who would ever have thought that possible.
18 September, 2024 at 11:55 pm
Going back to 2014 and the loss of the referendum: Sturgeon said in that BBC ordure that she had been shocked when Alec Salmond stepped down, although he had said as much, as though she did not expect to step straight into his shoes. She was just waiting for the chance. Remember, so arrogant was she that she thought she was ready to rule way before 2014. She intended to stand against him for the leadership, until he convinced her that she could not win then. On the back of that referendum spirit, she inherited an influx of new members to the SNP. By early 2015, it was becoming evident that many of this new intake were from the left, many of them former Labour voters who wanted independence. However, among them, hidden, were the ‘wokerati’ and the ‘trans’ lobby.
I believe that Nicola Sturgeon and her acolytes already knew by early 2015 that they were going to change the party into a devolutionist one that would concentrate, not on independence, but on so-called ‘progressive (actually regressive) policies and that she would stamp her own brand on the SNP that so many had given their whole lives to building up and growing. She and her gang literally stole their past and their future, quite deliberately.
I have been saying for so long, I’m boring myself with it: unless the bloody ‘wokerati’ and ‘trans’ are ousted, independence cannot happen. Anyone who has studied Queer Theory and Post Modernism will understand that these movements are not in the business of independence because they rely on the establishment, wherever they are, to propel them into power so that they can demolish all existing mores, infrastructure, culture, etc. They are parasitical movements, wholly wedded to destruction and nihilism, not positivism in any shape or form.
Add to that, the fact that some of the bright young things of yesteryear, all Sturgeon’s acolytes, were very probably recruited at university to serve the British State, mix in the vile Greens and the pro British civil service and you have the perfect storm. None of this was accidental. In one decade, they introduced totalitarianism into Scottish political, civil and economic life. Someone mentioned Germany. The same is happening there. In Spain. In France, to an extent. In Ireland. In New Zealand. In Canada. In America. In Australia. The ‘wokerati/’trans’ alliance is one massive international web, and each and every one of these countries is experiencing upheaval and unrest.
The vote by every SNP MSP is a betrayal. If it is not obvious to even the most diehard members left that the SNP (with the Greens) is a lying, carrot-dangling danger to Scots, they deserve all that is coming to them. Soon enough, we will all be asked to vote SNP 1 & 2 again, to vote for jam tomorrow when they know tomorrow will never come because they will not let it. They have other fish to fry and they need to keep independence at bay until the ‘woke/trans’ agenda is complete, and, even then, it will not be allowed to raise its head.
When it is complete, there will be no spirit for independence because they will have destroyed everything of any value in our society. They need time to mutilate even more children, time to remove ALL female rights, not those they have managed thus far, time to sell us out again and again and again to the lowest bidder, time to destroy every institution from the inside and time to infect people with a plague that will put individual sexual proclivities above all else, whatever the cost to those who are, by definition, the weakest and most controlled in our society: women, children, gay men and lesbian women, and animals. Why do you think that all the parties are into this stuff? Don’t believe me. I no longer care. We are facing a totalitarian hell unless we do something about it.
Scotland should treat Holyrood with the same contempt which Holyrood holds for Scotland’s sovereign Constitution, (the sovereign birthright which every Scot is blessed with), and the mandates from the sovereign electorate handed down to their delegates and servants.
Holyrood was designed like the Treaty of Union was designed, like Devolution was designed, like the PR system was designed; deliberately ambiguous to muddy all waters, duplicitous and misleading in its false deference and respect for Scotland’s integrity and constitution as a nation, and designed all along as a cloak to mask the improprieties, thefts, exploitations, and subjugations suffered upon Scotland.
The very existence of Holyrood is an affront to Scotland’s integrity; not a seat of government but rather a “de”-ceipt of Government.
All that stands between Scotland and liberation as an Independent Nation, is the discredited rag of an 18th Century “agreement” masquerading as Treaty. An Ultra Vires Treaty for the bribed and corrupt signatories to concede, and a one-way constraint which ostensibly cripples Scotland’s rights and defences, but which the Westminster Parliament has never respected but has cheated unhindered upon from the earliest date of its inception.
Find your heart Scotland. Rise. Impreach this wretched Holyrood for the unconstitutional outrage it has always been; the honourless thief who looks us in the face as they steal from us. Restore a true Scottish Government, one with the sovereign Claim of Right at it’s core.
SALVO knows the path we must take. SALVO is the voice which will lead us out of this darkness.
Holyrood is a con in every respect. A Truman Show soap box where nothing we can do changes anything. – Scotland’s snow globe Government.
Another Referendum? Jeezus H. – There should never be another crooked Election of despicable colonised pawns so eager to sit in that colonial shit hole. The desire alone should be a tre@son.
Close Grangemouth? Tell you what Scotland, turn the oil off at source and expand Grangemounth to five times the refining capacity.
What Scotland needs is external intervention.
A country to raise the case at the UN on our behalf.
A sovereign nation forbidden from exercising self determination by a neighbour who is signed up to the UN charter & who should not be representing the UK on our behalf. They have no consent or authority to do so when they have blocked all routes to obtaining our consent on an ongoing basis. & Nowhere is it written in our contract that referendums are a once in a lifetime event.
2014 wasn’t our consent. It was rigged & I very much doubt it would have respected a YES vote. Unlike the GFA there was no biding & legal obligation to act on the result. The Edinburgh agreement only said they’d respect it. Not that they’d actually implement it.
Speaking of the GFA – they had an American special envoy.
Scottish devolution had the European council.
The UK won’t allow a referendum because they simply don’t ever need to. Continually voting in a domestic internal election (that’s rigged to fail by excluding /including a population depending on the election) & trying to appeal to an Internationally recognised bad actor, will just play out on loop until everyone gets bored & we’re already at that point.
19 September, 2024 at 11:10 am
The SNP’s cowardice is deliberate. They are heading for another election disaster in Holyrood 2026 in the same mould as July this year and they are more than happy about it. It gives them an excuse to officially wash their hands of the whole independence issue.
In the run-up to Holyrood 2026 we can expect the same SNP party before country blackmail tactic: if you don’t vote for us independence will be set back for decades. A large portion of the pro-independence electorate didn’t fall for it in July and they won’t fall for it in 2026. Again the SNP hierarchy won’t be bothered about it because as I say they are deliberately looking for an excuse to dump independence in order to continue in their role as colonial administrators in Holyrood.
I hope the ISP puts up as many candidates as possible in 2026.
I,Despair
“At a referendum anniversary event organised by Glasgow University’s John Smith Centre (full disclosure: I sit on the board of that centre) an audience member observed that, now a referendum is clearly not imminent, the SNP is no longer the hostage to an impatient Yes movement that has spent the past decade stuck on amber. It’s an observation that carries more truth than my fellow Nats may be comfortable with.”
What an absolute plank. He admits early on that independence is over 50%, (before a campaign has even started) so why were they stuck on amber with various mandates burning a hole in their pocket. What exactly were they waiting on, an invite?
All these clowns do by opening their mouth is to admit they’re a complete failure & never had any intention of indyref2. People didn’t vote for them or give up valuable free time canvassing for them to take their own sweet time about it.
That Smith center/Glasgow University seems polluted with failures & fuckwits thinking they can dispense advice. Here’s some advice…GYTF! Loser!
“What exactly were they waiting on, an invite?”
I am of the opinion they have been waiting for support for Scotland’s independence to fall.
Instead, they got the mother of all slaps, which their handlers had not planned for: the decoupling of the yes movement from the SNP. Thanks to the incredible work of the Rev, among others, this process is accelerating and will result in the (fake) SNP and all the plants and useful idiots in it quickly becoming as useless for the British state as the labour, tory and libdem parties in Scotland.
But what I think might be even worse from the perspective of the British establishment is that, if the pro-indy political parties do not get their arse in gear and do so pronto by starting to reassert Scotlands sovereignty and ditching quickly their pandering to England’s parliamentary sovereignty and the idea that Scotland has to ask permission to anyone, the next step might well be that the yes movement decouples from politics altogether.
The SnP is what has kept the yes movement on a leash. Neither labour nor tories nor libdems would have been able to. So, in my view, if the yes movement decouples from politics, the British state’s carefully created and maintained system of fake “democracy” via deliberate suppression and deception might collapse.
At that point, the yes movement may easily become an unmanageable and uncontrollable force for the British state. Some claim that up to 700,000 did not cast a vote in the last GE. This might well be a sign that we are far closer to that point than we think.
In my opinion, from the words of that idiot in the Smith Centre that you quote, it appears clear what him, the political fraud Sturgeon and her continuity useful idiots Humza the Brief and Mr Redacting black pen Swinney, have been seeking.
Their job appears to have been to rein in and suffocate the yes movement to stop yes increasing sustainably above 50%.
If you remember, this was one of the conditions the political fraud named during the 2016 Holyrood election campaign to call a referendum: if it is proved that a sustained majority of the people in Scotland wants independence.
The other condition was “a change in circumstances” aka Brexit. The latter condition become a reality rather quickly after the 2016 election. That should be the point to trigger the commencement of the dissolution of the union. Instead, the political fraud Sturgeon run off a mile from it by claiming she had to wait until the end of the brexit negotiations. This was, of course, bollocks. She was trying to get out of the commitment, the question is why. Was she compromised or did she already made a deal with the British state? The objective of all her deliberate procrastination from 2016 to 2021 had nothing to do with the brexit negotiations and, in my view, a lot to do with waiting until the following election to make, after 5 years, the “change of circumstances” obsolete. AFter 2021, brexit had become the status quo, so that is how she got rid of the “change of circumstances excuse”.
It is evident that since 2015 the political fraud and her successors have been actively working to stop yes going over 50%. They have forced it to remain idle. They have run up and run down the troops countless times with the aim of breaking the movement’s soul. They never conducted a proper campaign to progress independence. They attacked the yes movement in every possible way, including force feeding on us the most stupid, deranged and authoriarian policies and displaying the most incomprehensible incompetence ever since by a government. I have always thought, and still think, all this was very much deliberate.
The way that Smith Centre individual endorses the words “now a referendum is clearly not imminent, the SNP is no longer the hostage to an impatient Yes movement that has spent the past decade stuck on amber” by saying that “It’s an observation that carries more truth than my fellow Nats may be comfortable with” is, in my view, quite telling.
Firstly, they tell us that the individual sees the independence movement not as a motivator but as a hindrance, an obstacle.
Secondly, who is this guy to say if that is true or not? Is he in any way or form linked to the higher echelons of the party? In what way?
Thirdly, by using the adjective “impatient”, this individual is, in my opinion, actively seeking to deceive. You call somebody impatient when they want something done today, now, yesterday even. The Yes movement as a whole has been waiting 10 long years for the SNP to get their arse in gear. Somebody who has been waiting for 10 years for something they could have achieved in a few months with majorities in both Holyrood and Westminster if the political fraud Sturgeon had been a real pro-indy leader is not “impatient”. They have been far, far too patient.
Fourthly, the individual deliberately uses the word “nats”. This word is often used by Labourites, Tories, LibDems and unionist trolls as derogatory. This individual is clearly adopting the derogatory language of the British state shills and attacking the yes movement, allegedly from within. He is showing compliance.
When he uses the expression “my fellow nats” in that context, I do not think he is seeking to identify himself as a nationalist because he cannot even bring himself to say the whole word. I think he is trying to deceive the audience by pretending to be on the yes side. But this is incongruous with the relaxed, joyful even, way in which he rushes to insult the yes movement calling it impatient and how he relishes the facts that there will not be a referendum, that the yes movement has been basically forced to remain idle and, more importantly, that the SNP is now free of any moral responsibility to seek independence.
My conclusion is that this guy is nothing more than another British state propaganda mouthpiece, another crown useful idiot and gravy hunter pretending to be a nationalist to gain credibility among yes supporters. This guy is as much a nationalist as the plant I have in my windowsill. But hey, what can you expect from somebody who has joined the Smith Centre to be with Kezia Dugdale, Ruth DAvidson, Ed Balls and Gove?
I said it years ago and I say it again today. In my opinion, Sturgeon is an agent of the British state who has been tasked to reign in the yes movement to stop its momentum on its tracks.
Why? I do not know. Initially I suspected they needed this so England’s brexit could progress and England could rely on Scotland’s assets and internal market to survive and to cut some decent trade deals. It would have been impossible for it otherwise.
Now, I am no longer sure. Maybe England is still waiting for that trade deal with USA. I do not know if the warmonger arses sitting in the British establishment need Scotland for whatever sick war game USA’s deep state are planning against Rss, or if they are desperate to take the UK into a war to keep Scotland in the union a bit longer. Just as they did with Ireland in the past.
But what is clear to me is that the destruction of Scotland’s assets and the theft of Scotland’s resources has accelerated very signficantly under the political fraud Sturgeon, Humza the Brief and Mr REdacting Black Pen Swinney. This cannot be a mere coincidence.
Impeaching all these bastards for the tremendous damage they have inflicted on Scotland will not be enough. They have to be publicly humiliated and embarrassed.
I think we need something like what “led by Donkeys” did in the past. Nothing would put off the remainer SNP voters more than seeing the corrupt faces of the SNP betrayers with their poisonous words, gaffes and “mistakes” plastered all over billboards and in leaflets delivered through letterboxes.
May be the Rev could come up with some clever and creative alternatives to the wee blue book. For example some booklet collecting all Mr Cairns cartoons published in Wings, or a booklet with some images of the biggest SNP culprits, their words (the stupider the better), their gaffes, their failures, their betrayals, or potentially a book listing all what Sturgeon, Humza and Swinney have lost us since 2014, starting by all the mandates, opportunities, capitulations, including sending down the stone of destiny, the money wasted in court cases and non-existent ferries, all the votes and policies which have damaged independence, etc, etc.
I am of the opinion that nothing would be more effective at stopping people voting for the SNP that seeing their failures and betrayal listed one after other and printed in black and white (or in yellow background, black font and the SNP symbol as a watermark for even better effect…)
Butter Together: A Poem
or The Sad Demise
(Downward Transformation from the SNP to the SCP)
Context: The Lib Dem-Labour-SNP-Green-Conservative-Alliance Against The-People-of-Scotland-and-their-Right-to-Independence
They know what side their bread is buttered on
And butter-up together, Oh!
In Holyrood they’re all well fed, to splutter on –
With all their mucked-up blether, Oh!
They spread the butter round and round
To all their friends and cronies, Oh!
Scotland’s loss, the gain they’ve found –
For, in the end, they’re phonies, Oh!
They led us up their garden paths
From there to here, and yonder, Oh!
With theories queer they stabbed our backs,
And independence squandered, Oh!
With a queer queer here and a woke woke there
With all their lies they filled the air, Oh!
‘In love and politics’, quoth they, ‘it’s all quite fair!’
Till gas-lit Scots awoke – laid bare, Oh!
‘We gotcha there’, they crooned and crowed
As they buttered-up together, Oh!
Lib-Dem, the Greens and every ‘No’:
One buttery SLab,-and-Tory, Oh…
And there with them, in deepest yellow
As Butter should be, Oh-Jolly-Oh!
The Scottish Lion’s gone all mellow:
It’s the SNP, Good-Golly, Oh!
They’re woked and queered and anglicised,
For all they speired’s gone quiet, Oh!
The independence they aince prized
That kite, … They’ll never-fly-it, Oh!
Some think, to bury it, they cut it down
Some think it flew away, Oh!
Where’er it is, in sky or ground,
These knaves all say ‘it’s had its day, Oh’ –
And rejoice, alas, so openly and brazen,
‘The time for that has gone, Oh!
But vote for us, and keep us in our haven!
The troughs at Holyrood are long, Oh
‘And we can fit with all and sundry,
And line up there, Together, Oh!
You should have known that, come the day,
To Scotland we would not be tethered, Oh!
‘For Liberty and Truth are only words
And we are politicians, Oh!
Leave independence for the birds,
And all that stuff to rhetoricians, Oh!
So independence they abandon,
Let it melt like butter, Oh!
As if their central policy was random,
Its supporters simply nutters, Oh!
They vote it down, and show their backs
And butter-up together, Oh!
An’ round they spin, like cocks and quacks,
That aye turn in the weather, Oh!
Then victory – one, two, six – they claim,
Against the only wan that’s true, Oh!
As if it wasn’t to their shame
That sic a thing they’d do, Oh!
So hing yer heids, upon those pots
Which ha’e replaced your stomachs, Oh!
Wha’ left the field for a’ that rots
As backwards ran your shummocks, Oh!
In full-blown flight, wee cowerin’ beasties,
Wi’ a’ the ‘No’s’ united, Oh!
Whit a sight, these creepy creepies,
By Butter-Scotch, Delighted, Oh!
In which they’re now full-blown, embedded:
Wan big SLAB that’s rancid, Oh!
The truth they said, they’ve now unsaid it:
The boil they are, another vote will lance it, oh!
One, two, six heids in a basket,
Come the next election, Oh!
Sic perfidy, ye cannae mask it:
The lies their ship gets wrecked on, Oh!
When the heat’s turned up, the butter melts,
The once-firm SLAB to liquid, Oh!
Yestreen, secure – so sure – it felt…
Next day so sick that nane can fix it, Oh!
‘Gainst one, two, six, the wan seemed routed,
The odds against her seem full stashed, Oh
Yet now’s the time to roundly tout it:
The phoenix rises from the Ash, Oh!
Although it might not seem so rational,
One hundred to one can win, Oh!
Remember ’67, yon great Grand National
When the cantering Foinavon came first in, Oh?!
They can’t tell the difference, some folk claim
‘Twixt margarine and butter, Oh!
But now folk see the ‘National’ in their name
Cannot match the gutter, Oh!
To which the S N P so clearly, deeply sank
In that vote ‘gainst Scotland’s independence, Oh!
So all guid folk now clearly know how to rank
All the lies they tell, without repentance, Oh!
The Sodden No No Party knew not the difference
‘Twixt One Two Six to One and their Defeat, Oh!
They revealed they’re corrupt, and without defence:
Unfit for purpose – for independence – no way meet, Oh!
What a handsome victory they thought they’d duly won,
And felt and saw no need to blush, Oh!
They did not realise they had themselves undone,
And – all buttery – and slipping in their slush, Oh! –
Have skidded down the toilet, into the darkest drain,
In which, with a never-ending downward flush, Oh!
They will stay henceforth, for ever and again:
The Scottish Cludgie Party, turned from Heights of Glory, Oh!
Into Butter first. Then, alas, perpetually, to Mush, Oh!
And therein – in that dark hole – ends this sad, sad Story, Oh!
20 September, 2024 at 11:50 am
Mia @ 5.07 pm, you are right, and you give me hope. Let’s decouple from politics and make this a mass action of the people. That will scare the shit out of all the politico troughers and their handlers. Funny that they are accelerating the asset stripping as you say, do they sense the change, the quickening…As for me and my fellow Nats, the condescending chap from the Smith Centre, well he and his fellow Nats – aka unionist ("Quizmaster" - Ed)s, can all GTF and quickly. SNP has to be decoupled completely and then see how long before all the useful idiots are thrown to the wolves.
19 September, 2024 at 12:14 pm
Another decade?
I’ll be 71 FFS.
This latest from Wilderness of Peace (Oor Ain Al) is a moving tribute to his late great aunt. He invites readers to submit their own tributes to fellow travellers now-passed.
Most of the regulars here could name stalwarts who are no longer with us. That’s just from the contributors here. Off the top of my head, Robert Peffers, Liz G, Smallaxe. And we all have friends and family members who never used social media but were every bit as passionate about independence as the rest of us. Many of them have also left us over the past decade.
At some point we have to accept that ‘giving up’ simply isn’t an option, no matter how bleak it all seems. Waiting for full disclosure in the hope of some ‘truth and reconciliation’ process to be opened up is futile – even the sketchy outlines we can discern from what is known are damning enough but the full nauseating horror of Anglo-State dirty tricks will not be accessible at all (if ever) until most of us have long-since shuffled off.
So, if this important marker has any positive value at all it may be the simple fact that we’re still here. And so is this site.
Would any of us have dared predict as much ten years ago?
19 September, 2024 at 12:35 pm
IanB , you’re just a spring chicken – in 10 years time , if I make it , I will be 88 and may not be able to remember my own name far less how to find and fill in a voting slip.
I do miss the folk you mentioned , especially Smallaxe.
19 September, 2024 at 12:38 pm
The independence movement isn’t getting its ‘mojo back’ while large parts of it are full of people with little interest in independence unless it means them retaining the power they have, or as a shield to push things like Trans ideology or the SNP’s gradual turn towards neoliberalism and authoritarianism from social democracy.
It’s not helped either by nonsense like ‘believe in Scotland’. Independence isn’t going to come by wishing it to happen so what’s the purpose of BIS apart from being another Scottish establishment campaign to pretend it’s for independence when really, it’s just to keep a vanishingly small number of loyalists happy.
Not that the rest of the independence movement is in good health. It isn’t. At best, it’s fractured with civic nationalism & intelligent thought and debate becoming rarer however what the SNP, Greens and the swathes of supposedly Indy supporting celebs are doing is turning Scotland into a political, social and cultural wasteland where the very few dominate and the rest of us matter only when an election is coming up.
Hindsight is a wonderful thing, but if we’d realised on the 19th of September 2014 that the following decade would see the SNP reduced to not even a devolutionist position (when was the last time you heard any SNP figure demand more powers to be devolved to Scotland?) and has instead, become a party of power interested only in itself and the interests of a small minority of people, you’d cry or laugh. That’s not even taking into account the rise of Trans ideology, the derlicition of the Greens abandoning eco-socialism for a sniff of power not to mention that party (and the SNP) kicking out people for knowing what sex is or posing a real or imagined threat to the leadership.
We’re in a state of limbo til 2026 when we see how badly the SNP are after that & I assume Swinney resigns then just maybe they’ll be an actual leadership contest that might just bring forth someone brave and intelligent enough to not just push for independence and competent government, but to clean the SNP out from top to bottom.
Worth mentioning that it was the Wee Blue Book (downloaded as Pdf) that convinced my usband and myself to vote Yes. We discussed the vote right up until midnight and then, confronting Gordon Brown with the Wee Blue Book, we each made our decision for Yes.
Without the Wee Blue Book I am faily sure we would ave voted No, ie Devomax.
The Yes “movement”, as an atomised cohort of diverse individuals, hasn’t gone away. I’m such a one and I know many others. What is required is a Party with a like-minded leadership to make our case. The tragedy is that none of us can currently see any evidence of that like-minded Party, in any shape or form. Unfortunately, Salvo doesn’t do Party politics and very few of the business-as-usual politicians (the majority of them) have looked closely into exactly what that organisation is putting forward. So, we can only expect more of the same old, standard-grade stasis.
We are living in a Spookocracy. This is not a term of my invention.
“A counterintelligence state (sometimes also called intelligence state, securocracy or spookocracy) is a statewhere the state security service penetrates and permeates all societal institutions, including the military.”
At Westminster, we have a Prime Minister described by that levelheaded, old, one nation Tory, Peter Oborne (always worth a listen) as the “MI5 candidate”.
Starmer would not of course be the first, Blair was always suspect. The Security Services are believed to have plotted to bring down the Government of Harold Wilson. Wilson came dangerously close to disrupting the status quo when he (and Barbara Castle) proposed a Tripartite model of economic cooperation along the West German lines. The longer term solution was to infiltrate the political process and control it from within to avoid future crises.
This is not to say that MPs and MSPs are necessarily serving officers of the Security Services, they are more usually individuals who fall under the control or influence of Thames House and Vauxhall Cross. The training manual refers to MICE. Money. Ideology. Compromise. Ego.
Some agents of the Intelligence Services inevitably break cover at some point. Former Labour MPs, Ian Austin, John Woodcock and John Mann, who were granted comfortable sinecures by a Tory Government for propagating the risible charges of antisemitism against Jeremy Corbyn spring to mind.
Former and serving spooks are more commonly found in the “third sector”, influencing outfits that take young, middle class humanities graduates and mentor them to form a never ending conveyor belt of compliant, career politicians. The John Smith Centre at the University of Glasgow is one such example.
Talking of breaking cover and revealing the fingerprints of the Intelligence Services, the key here is to look for good, ol’ fashioned self interest. While the treacherous, faux, Labour MPs listed above were rewarded with Peerages, in Scotland, the more commonly used means of providing remuneration for defenestrated politicians is via academic posts. On losing his seat in the crash GE of 2019, Stephen Gethins was employed with indecent haste by the spook infested School of International Relations at the University of St. Andrews. Gethins rose to the status of Professor within a couple of years, a highly unusual state of events for an academic ingenue. Similarly, failed politician, Kezia Dugdale was made a Professor with no Doctorate and derisible claims of teaching experience by the University of Glasgow. The UoG has form in this, making a senior MI6 officer, Andrew Fulton a Professor of Law in 1999, in order to spin the events of the Lockerbie trial at Camp Zeist to the world’s press. Let’s not forget Mike Russell’s laughable short stint as a Professor, also at the UoG.
So, what’s been happening in the last ten years? Well, the Security Services have been busy accumulating influence and power in the hierarchy of the SNP. Clearly, the Security Services can’t afford to have their distinguishing imprint detected on figures within the SNP and visa versa. Here Thames House and Vauxhall Cross rely on the services of Foggy Bottom. This is a well established relationship based on quid pro quo. Before the Patriot Act demolished the protections put in place to prevent the US State from eavesdropping on its own, law abiding citizens, GCHQ Cheltenham used to perform that task, with presumably a reciprocal arrangement being conducted on British citizens by the NSA. More recently, we have wee Simon Bracey-Lane of the Institute for Statecraft volunteering to work on Bernie Sanders primary run against Hilary Clinton.
Tell-tales of the US State Department are all over NuSNP. Graduates of their International Visitors Leadership Program include, Humza Yousaf, Jenny Gilruth, Patrick Grady and Angela Crawley. MP for Glasgow South (until recently) Stewart McDonald, attended the Woodrow Wilson Centre for International Scholars. Having around 100 SNP MPs and MSPs directly linked to the State Department is neither practical or desirable (the greater the number the greater the risk of detection). Nonetheless, those who are connected form an inner cadre, a Mafia of the mediocre, networking and providing mutual support to reach otherwise unattainable heights like a Catalan castell.
For the rest of the herd, all that is required to attain their complicity is a unifying cause célèbre. In the SNP this takes the form of Poststructuralism and its more recognisable manifestation, Identity Politics. By a combination of prejudicial vetting conducted by Jackson’s Entry (to eliminate free thinkers and attain a supply of brain-dead cannon fodder) and criminal naivety by branch associations, the salaried ranks of the SNP were ripe for dictatorial control. For every Joanna Cherry, there are a dozen Kirsty Blackman’s or Anne McLaughlin’s. Most of these numpties would be hard pushed to get a job stacking shelves at their local ScotMid. Paying them £90k pa as an MP or £72k pa as an MSP will buy their unquestioning loyalty to the party top-brass (lest deselection be mooted). Beyond material wellbeing, these sheep need to be told how to think. Catastrophically thick individuals like Karen Adam are only too happy to slavishly repeat the mantra determined by the Cult leader.
In summary, electoral politics is irredeemably fucked. This was almost unavoidably the case. Sinn Féin were an exception, a micro party that came out of nowhere to grasp a geopolitical, perfect storm in the shape of WW I.
For my part, I put what little faith I can muster into the likes of Salvo. Whether you believe that they can attain direct results is almost immaterial. I tend to believe that the United Nations is as fucked as UK politics. As long as the mass media parrot the US line about “rules based order” and ignore actual, international law, the UN is a distraction. In this case, might is unfortunately right. Nonetheless, the message Salvo have to impart is essential as an educational and campaigning tool. This is how we energise the Scots folk, by making them aware that their sovereignty is (or at least should be) in their hands according to our Constitution.
If the UK wide Freeports & Special Economic Zones (SEZs) are even close to being as bad as they seem (no company business tax for 10 years, government grants for companies, deregulation, reduced workers rights, no EU membership etc), then they will make the last 10 years seem like a picnic. The SNP are fully onboard with this. Independence vs two governments in the UK continues while the hole just gets deeper. Much deeper.
https://x.com/EuropeanPowell/status/1835339185533694375
@VO’B 2.32: excellent account of the sad state of affairs in Ukanian politics, largely replicated in the EU because of a political class also drawn from the “Mafia of the mediocre”, as you put it, and gradually put in place via the WEF and American institutions such as their security services and the State Department (to think I canvassed for the likes of Angela Crawley: weazels rip my flesh!).
Party politics are now hopelessly corrupt and ignore constituents in favour of the party donors whose wishes the MPs are told to vote for without question by the whips.
Democracy is dead.
What next?
P.S. It occurred to me on holiday that Swinney is about as useful as a hotel toaster.
@ Vivian O’Blivion
“The Security Services are believed to have plotted to bring down the Government of Harold Wilson. Wilson came dangerously close to disrupting the status quo when…”
Very interesting. The key question for me is who/what is currently controlling/managing the Security Services and what/who are the current links between Security Services, political parties, the COPFS and the Civil Service in Scotland.
Were Humza and Swinney the chosen “MI5 candidates”? We all know the leadership “elections” of them both were beyond dodgy, and as far as I remember, Murrell had secured the “help” from GCHQ for the first leadership election. Swinney was simply catapulted to the post without even an election.
Vivian: wholeheartedly agree. I can see no alternative to explaining the fall of the SNP except that it has been utterly compromised throughout, just as Sinn Fein was before Adams and MacGuinness restructured it. I don’t believe the SNP can be saved, especially after the vote the other day. I am disappointed that Mr Salmond doesn’t see that, but he put his heart into that party, so it is understandable. It broke his heart, as it broke so many hearts. I think he will come round to see the futility of trying to save it from itself.
Moixx: yes, I, too, have been a bit puzzled by the less than wholehearted condemnation of self-ID, but I believe it’s a man thing. A lot of men do get it, and I think that AS gets it on one level, but underestimates its destructiveness if left to go its own way. Post modernism/poststructuralism coupled to ‘trans’ is a recipe for complete disaster in the West. Too many men still don’t get it because they see it as a ‘woman’s issue’. It is actually an issue for our entire Western civilization, which is in danger now of tumbling into authoritarianism and unrestrained barbarism. It is a kind of Traniban for the West, where women and children will be allowed to die prematurely, and the economy will cave in on itself and create abject poverty.
Basically, we have entered a period of time when sexual proclivities of all kinds, of every deviance, for the foot soldiers, now outweigh every other consideration, and the corporates and big industries that produce drugs and medicines, etc. are right behind them. It is a form of madness that has gripped our societies since the advent of the internet and access to unlimited porn to suit every taste known to man and woman, and many known to nobody but those who live their lives entirely through their sex lives, even if only vicariously.
We have witnessed it in the past – in the late Greek era, the late Roman era, etc., and it is almost always a prelude to societal collapse. That is a massive weakness. Every politician who speaks on behalf of the people needs to understand just what this is, and not to underestimate it. I hope that AS will not underestimate it and see that it is not a case of ignoring what is probably the main issue today, in Scotland. It is not progressive, but regressive. Women and children, gays and lesbians and animals will be the losers, but, most of all, it will bring down our Western societies in a heartbeat if we do not face up to its utter toxicity.
@ Geri
” What’s next? My guess is Fascism. Its already showing where they’re not going to bother with elections (U) assassinate opposition (USA) or just refuse to accept an election result (France) lol ” .
You can add Germany to that list : the incumbent collection of * Woke * /Green / Pro-War monkeys ( funny that int’it -” Save The Planet ! “… by helping to blow fuck out of it – JA ! ) that are presiding over the ruination of that country have said they’ll simply ban the * Far Right * AfD for having the temerity to threaten the status quo with their ” Populist ” Politics ( ie responsive to their populace’s concerns ) .
This Nu Democracy is great , eh ?
If Fascism does come ( some might say it’s already here ) this time it won’t be wearing jackboots & glorifying ‘The Fatherland’ (très passe , non ? ) . It will come kitted-out with a male * vagina * n brandishing a syringe in one hand an auto-da-fe ( for heretical binary thinking ) in the other n wearing a gown made from the finest misanthropy
I can’t take any politician seriously now , unless they evince some degree of awareness of and necessary outrage at the total derangement of current events & * worldviews * . HA !
The endless insults to our intelligence/mores , the utter contempt with which the Political/Managerial/Corporate Caste treat the people they’re meant to serve has reached such an extreme degree it’s akin to Fascism ; but a ” Kind ” Fascism ; one that’s ” for our own good ” : one that ” keeps us safe ” .
All you have to do is surrender your worthless autonomy , your meaningless individuality , the unreliable evidence of your own eyes .
THEN you’ll be happy .
“Yeah, that IS hard to believe right now, and as long as the SNP is in command it’s impossible.”
Unless some outside body such as the UN Decolonisation Program can be woken up and come bang UK & Scottish heads together. Mind you if Swinney is still FM the response from Scotgov will be incompetent at best.
Because the Yes movement did get off our backsides and do it ourselves. I was at the SSRG conference in Dunfermline (you weren’t there Stu) when Salvo was formed there.
Salvo minted Liberation and invited signatories, no help from this site was forthcoming there. It now has a suitably elected council through ongoing online interference it should be noted. A specific Free VPN and a blink or you’ll miss login code were required (I mistook a 1 for l first time around). Whole process took most of an afternoon but I voted.
This site is still ignoring the fact of Salvo & Liberation. But since it is enamoured of Alba Party who are similarly ignoring it this is no real surprise.
Ahem Mr C , people like myself , Mia & others have been mooting the prospect of * some kind * of alliance between the SNP and * Scottishishish * Labour for a few years now .
It increasingly seems like the only option left to them ( SNP ) to hold on to at least a modicum of power and as they’re virtually indistinguishable ideologically there would be nothing much for either Party to have to compromise on : except in the SNP’s case that bothersome identification with Independence . I am sure that little matter could be resolved without too much trouble , eg by saying Independence has not been abandoned , only suspended until …….rocks melt with the sun & every child in Scotland has been granted the right to free puberty blockers ( that part is already in bag ) and can change the parents they were assigned at birth .
If this does happen, and I believe you are right, Rev., it is the end of the velvet glove politics. I fear what might happen in the longer term. Independence is not going anywhere, but the SNP and Greens have, effectively, boxed it into a corner in the vain hope that they can contain it. In that, they are at one with the British State, except that the British State is a hundred times smarter than they are – and a thousand times more ruthless. Except against female humans, of course – the SG, that is – where it is the very vanguard of ruthlessness.
In any case, if Putin carried out his threat to launch a limited nuclear strike against Europe – and it would be Europe, not America, because America can wipe out Russia – and even though we are no longer part of Europe, we are resplendent with a crumbling nuclear weapons stock, and we would almost certainly be a target. If we could remove ourselves from the American anus for just a millisecond, we would realize that. Our subs are useless without American permissions. Any strike would be retrospective, anyway, with the Central Belt, our most populated area, gone in a vaporizing cloud and the rest of us chocking on the fallout, eventually with tumours the size of neeps.
This very scenario, folks, is the final price of the Union and all the ‘transwomen’ force-teamed with the real McCoy (MacKay, the Americans change everyone’s language), or, at least, any that are left from both sets, will be keeping the home fires burning, or, rather, the reverse, trying to put them out this time.
“Say what you see”
A. I see the reason why Operation Branchform remains stalled:
It seems the establishment still needs this limping SNP to block independence from 2026. Operation Branchform’s outcome might just finish the SNP off, terminating any value this version of the SNP still holds for the British state. I wouldn’t be surprised if the resolution of Operation Branchform is dragged until after the 2026 election.
B. I see political Autophagia
The con of the British state’s political set up in Scotland is voraciously eating itself up to preserve the union.
In science, Autophagia is a self-degradative cellular process aimed to economise energy at critical times during development and in response to nutrient stress (Glick et al, 2010, JPathol 221(1):3-12
Let’s transfer this to a political context.
What is the nutrient stress here?
The lack of pro-union voters, which means the British state’s signature three-party model can no longer be sustained.
Why is this a critical time of development?
1. Because status quo unionist parties are being challenged from within by Reform, which is also competing for the unionist vote
2. Because none of the status quo parties (and I include the SNP here) have enough traction by themselves to attract sufficient vote to ensure a unionist majority at Holyrood. This means the establishment will have to fabricate that majority.
How? By deception. They will openly drag the SNP to the unionist side so they can use any remaining pro-indy vote trapped under the SNP brand to frustrate independence.
3. Because infiltration of and exposure of the SNP as a devolutionist party has alienated the the pro-indy vote. An infiltrated SNP which is unable to attract the pro-indy vote, will quickly become worthless to the British state unless it swaps the SNP brand for one of its three status quo parties. The most likely candidate are the libdems, which are the ones currently attracting less vote.
4. Because the orphan pro-independence vote is quickly growing and is ripe to be hoovered up by any credible pro-indy party.
Some calculated that up to 700,000 previous SNP voters did not cast a vote at the last GE. If a new pro-independence party hoovers up that vote, that pro-union majority, even with the SNP on the union side, may no longer be feasible.
For any nationalist, the arrogance of labour towards Scotland and how it has mistreated it, (the McCrone report, stealing Scotland’s territorial waters or insulting us by calling us racists, for example) are unforgivable and unforgettable.
It is unthinkable that any serious Scottish pro-independence party would even consider allying with a nasty, anti-Scotland and pro-colonial English party like Labour whose only aim for Scotland appears to be to keep it as a prisoner of this toxic union so it can finish off the stripping of its assets for the benefit of England.
But we all know by now that the SNP has become Labour in all but name. By revealing itself as a devolutionist party and by voting against making the Holyrood election a de-facto referendum, this infiltrated version of the SNP is actively eating itself up.
While the SNP brand was perceived by Scottish voters as a pro-independence party, an infiltrated SNP was very useful to the British state to reign in, stop the momentum and (mis)manage the expectations of the yes movement. But, as an open devolutionist party, the SNP no longer has such use.
The only one use the SNP has left for the British state is that of openly contributing to the unionist majority. SNP-Labour alliance step forward.
An alliance between the SNP and Labour will be the kiss of political death for one of them. My hope is that it becomes the kiss of political death for both of them.
The entire political system in Scotland is eating itself up for the sake of the union. For instance, both in Ruthlergen by-election and in the GE, labour got an increase of vote in Scotland mainly at the expense of a sharp decrease of the tory vote. The British state is finding a way to concentrate the unionist vote into one party.
This makes sense, because the English dichotomy right/left is pointless in Scotland. Here, the only dichotomy that matters is indy versus union. Labour, tories and libdems are natural allies in Scotland.
If the establishment had to expose its infiltrated SNP toy as a unionist party by feeding it to Labour, it must be because even combining the tory, labour and libdem vote is no longer enough to ensure the pro-union majority. But this must be a weapon of last resource, because once Labour has “eaten up” that infiltrated SNP, one of the two, if not them both, will be finished.
I think Alf Baird might be right in that we might be approaching the last stages of the colonial process in Scotland. Certainly it does look like the ability of the British state to keep holding Scotland to ransom via political means with this fake democracy is coming to an end.
My question is what method are they planning to use when all this political autophagia ends and there is nothing else to “eat up”. Brute force? Military occupation? Fascist legislation?
Or are they going to drag us into another of USA’s self-serving imperialistic wars as an excuse to completely reset the political system?
I wouldn’t put it past them.
What we have to think now is what the best way to frustrate that plan is.
Clearly the best way is to have a party that can hoover up all that orphan pro-indy vote. But we are all so hurt, resentful for the sNP betrayal and have become so suspicious of another back-stabbing that trusting another political party is going to be very difficult.
Personally, I want to see clear and irrefutable evidence that such party is seeking independence. And I don’t longer mean just telling us how good independence would be. I already know how good for Scotland independence will be. I don’t mean the promise of a referendum pipe dream either. We have been stuck in that pipe for the last 10 years.
I want to vote for a serious party that is ready for the fight, that takes the gloves off from the get go and goes head on against the British state.
I want to vote for candidates standing on an abstentionist vote – no more nonsense of pandering to the game rules of the establishment and to the caprice of a foreign monarch.
If such option is not available, it will have to be abstaining from voting or ballot spoiling.
What I am not prepared to cast a vote for is more begging for permission from an entity that is a byproduct of the treaty of union that is therefore a subordinate to Scotland’s continuous consent, more excuses for procrastination, more pandering to the English convention of Westminster’s parliamentary sovereignty and more insisting in demoting Scotland to the status of Catalonia so as to avoid revoking the treaty of union.
I don’t care what those spineless parasites warming the seats in Holyrood, instead of representing us, voted for. They can stick their vote right up where the sun does not shine.
They have undemocratically forced us to wait for far too long, therefore 2026 must be an election on independence, one way or the other and they want it or not.
If they do not facilitate the opportunity, then we should simply grab it ourselves.
«all really important innovations and changes normally start from tiny minorities of people who use their creative freedom»
Ernst F. Schumacher,
Small Is Beautiful:
@ Muscleguy 5.28pm I responded to your comment on the last post re Stuart Campbell,WOS and his deliberate and obvious ignoring of SALVO, SSRG,and Liberation.Scot or indeed anything to do with Scots SOVEREIGNTY or the COR
Perhaps Stuart could enlighten everyone why
Unfortunately it IMMEDIATELY went into moderation for reasons unknown and has disappeared
It really is glass beads and typhoid impregnated comfort blankets north American Indian style here in Scotland.
The indigenous Scot like the Indian is headed for extinction. And steady as we go under the sure had of our colonial administrators.
Reservations we have few. That’s reservations where folks live not the other kind of reservation.
South Africa had its Sowetto style reservations. Economically and socially deprived townships the Jock’s know the model.
Ah well, it’s the life we choose. Freedom? Nah not for us.
Or what am I missing?
Mia @ 4:40 pm
“that we might be approaching the last stages of the colonial process in Scotland.”
Yes, Fanon’s 3-phases, the final phase leading to liberation, failing which the nation continues along the road to perish:
In this Union, Scotland and England should at least be treated the same. England should have a devolved administration too. England’s income should be handed to a Union administration and about half given back to them to be spent on certain defined matters.
Perhaps if this argument was put to “Proud Scots but..” and their ilk, they might see the injustice and sheer stupidity of sticking with the Union.
@ twathater: You are not alone in wondering at Wings’ silence on the subject of Liberation.Scotland/Salvo. However we all know that the Rev is a clever man, and painfully honest in his pursuit of Scotland’s restoration to self-government, so there must be a good reason for the lack of input from him. It is a pity because we also know that every computer in Holyrood is a follower of Wings so it would be a good way of spreading the word in the corridors of …well, you know what I mean.
@ Muscleguy
” Where is moribund Alba with their leader on -47% in the polls? Nowhere to be seen, with the deputy chairman of the NE Freeport a prominent member and candidate they are nowhere on Freeports either which issue is gaining traction & Salvo are preparing a challenge to the contracts under Scots Law. ”
Good points .
It’s greatly to ISP’s credit that they have seen & embraced the potentially game-changing nature of what SALVO/Liberation are trying to do .
And a major WTF ! that ALBA have spurned the opportunity to connect with the new energy those groups are generating . Those dismal polling stats are surely a consequence of ALBA’s seeming determination to be exactly like all the other Parties – other than in their genuine desire to achieve Independence .
It’s up to Stu what he deems worthy of attention / space here on WOS , but , given the disadvantage from lack of exposure in MSM all the above-mentioned groups suffer , would it not be beneficial to a wider/deeper discourse on how best to realise our ambition if the ” Most Read ….” allowed space – if only occasionally – for the arguments & positions of these entities to be heard ?
Destroying the SNP may be a legitimate , ie necessary goal ; to do so without simultaneously building something to fill the vacated space may lead to a pyrrhic victory .
If ALBA were intending to be that replacement , they’re – to put it mildly – failing to convince . In contrast , ISP are becoming more convincing as they stretch out from the Political Party confines to collaborate with other bona-fide Independence fighters .
Wullie
You loan yer sovereignty when you vote for them.
Which is stupid really because they then take that vote, win, then take an oath of allegiance to a foreign monarch. In both Holyrood & Westminster.
Now there is something we’ve never been asked. We should have a referendum on the monarchy. He isn’t our king & he hasn’t taken any oath to Scotland.
20 September, 2024 at 10:09 pm
Devolution is just the new carrot to replace the independence one that’s now dead.
Labour has made it abundantly clear on various occasions there is absolutely no way there’ll be any more devolution to Scotland. They have even publicly stated they wish they’d never agreed to it in the first place. So do I. We’d be independent by now without it.
So there’s no Indy & no devolution so there’s no reason for the SNP. They can collect their coat & fck off.
hee-haw for Scotland from the yoons of whatever shade just as most of us predicted in 2014. They immediately started rowing back after the no vote & stripping powers… remember Cameron during indyref?? “That the Scottish Parliament will become one of the most powerful devolved parliaments in the world”
Aye..that happened. Not.
No wonder they’ll not agree to another ref but they don’t have to & that’s what is so sickening. They have no authority to refuse. We’re not their possession.
20 September, 2024 at 10:12 pm
But, Wullie, that’s the whole point of Scotland being represented in the Union parliament in the first place. The Union is of two entire sovereign kingdoms sharing the same parliament for the purpose of jointly governing their two territories.
Scotland’s MPs are the sole representatives of their entire kingdom, and they need to wield their parent’s full sovereign authority because they are facing the representatives of an entire foreign sovereign kingdom, and they need to be able to make major decisions on our behalf without constantly consulting us.
They don’t own that sovereignty, but they have to be enabled to wield it for us. That’s what elections are for. We are choosing our formal representatives to speak for, and make serious decisions on our, and our kingdom’s behalf, and we authorise them to wield our sovereign authority for us because it isn’t remotely practical for us all to do that ourselves.
They are Scotland’s agents operating in the field of legislative and political combat with potential enemies.
And it’s not just a matter of the Union; yes, Scotland’s people are sovereign but even before the Union they didn’t spend their time governing themselves directly, they were too busy getting on with their own lives in their own wee patch to be able to effectively and efficiently organise, integrate, and provide for all the needs and wants of a million or so other people all trying to govern their entire country at the same time.
It would be an utter organisational nightmare. It is no coincidence that the governance of any nation is always delegated to a full-time institution of some kind whose sole purpose is to do all of that larger scale governance on its people’s behalf.
The tricky bit is making sure that the few that are delegated the authority to govern for the many do so for only the right reasons, and that makes accountability essential.
@ Wullie 6.21pm
THIS is OUR reservation with no say or power
This is Scotland and Scots Future
In October 2023 there was a referendum in Australia the cultural and historical home of the original indigenous Aboriginal natives, the question put to the people of Australia was
“The question for the Voice to Parliament referendum was: “A Proposed Law: to alter the Constitution to recognise the First Peoples of Australia by establishing an Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Voice. Do you approve this proposed alteration?”
The First Peoples, Aboriginals, had requested that a permanent representation be permitted within the Australian parliament to oversee and ensure that the First Peoples VOICE would be heard in matters relating to the First Peoples
Bearing in mind that Australia was a penal colony and EVERY resident since the First Peoples were immigrants or HaHaHa new Australians it should come as no surprise that the MAJORITY voted AGAINST the rational and minor request that was asked for
“Chapter IX Recognition of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Peoples
129 Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Voice
In recognition of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples as the First Peoples of Australia:
I. There shall be a body, to be called the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Voice;
II. The Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Voice may make representations to the Parliament and the Executive Government of the Commonwealth on matters relating to Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples;
III.The Parliament shall, subject to this Constitution, have power to make laws with respect to matters relating to the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Voice, including its composition, functions, powers and procedures.”
The referendum question and constitutional amendment were announced by the Prime Minister on 23 March 2023, and were settled following consultation with the First Nations Referendum Working Group.
The referendum question and constitutional amendment were set out in the Constitutional Alteration Bill that was passed by both Houses of Parliament on 19 June 2023.
YET the NEW Australians voted AGAINST that minuscule representation for the ORIGINAL INDIGENOUS INHABITANTS
People like to use the term “Blood and Soil as an epithet to ridicule and berate patriotism and to silence , my ancestors Blood is riven through the Soil of Scotland and I am proud of my Scottish nationality and ancestry, I will never be ashamed of that, but I am ashamed and angered at politicians and others who hold Scottish nationality and citizenship like a cheap watch to be given away to all and sundry
What happened to the Aboriginal peoples will happen to Scottish indigenous people if we do not learn lessons from others mistakes
21 September, 2024 at 11:22 am
The devolved parliament was a lie. It wasn’t a reconvening of a Scottish parliament. It was a London outpost that had no authority here. All it did was reinforce to the masses they actually had a parliament to make decisions. They don’t. & To stamp English authority where they actually have none.
All it did, imo, was to shift London rule & pretend we could make decisions. It is a breach of the Union by the very fact that they have no authority here to impose a Scotland Act & that they didn’t give England a devolved parliament only legitimizes the idea that they do.
Its stuffed full of yoons, plants, meddlers, cadgers & careerist. Best thing to do would be to close it & reconvene the real Scottish parliament & fck the Scotland Act in the bin where it belongs.
Or open an English devolved parliament & re-establish the PROPER parliament of GB as intended under the Act of Union.
What Scotland seems cursed with is cowards & serfs who nod along being trampled all over because they lack an education on Scotlands constitution, the original claim of right & the act of union.
Look at the HoC. It has a team of constitutional & parliamentary experts sitting in front of the speaker. Where is Scotlands constitutional experts? Where is Scotlands Lords & Ladies (that’s not bought with trinkets) scrutinizing Acts & laws in conjunction with the Act of Union? No doubt learning all about fcking queer theory at Glasgow & Stirling University. The place where ppl seem to go to actually EMPTY their heads. Not fill it with actual knowledge…
Maybe there’s a lot to be said for scrapping tuition fees. Maybe they’d think twice about taking up a Mickey mouse subject if they actually had to weigh up the costs.
21 September, 2024 at 12:07 pm
“it’s hardly any time since a majority of the people of Scotland freely went out and voted for Labour to represent them at WM”
I am sorry, what?
The SHARE of the vote that Labour got in Scotland, according to Wikipedia, was only a 35.3%. That is indeed the largest share of the vote, but short of almost 16% of the vote to be able to claim they got the majority of the vote.
Now, the turnout was only 59.2% (value taken from Wikipedia), so Labour got a 35.3% OF 59.2%.
This means that Labour was supported by only 20.72% of all those who were registered to cast a vote. That is far, far, far from a majority.
Actually, of all those registered to vote, 79.3% DID NOT cast a vote for Labour. Now, THAT is the majority.
40.8%, a proportion almost twice the amount of those registered to vote who cast a vote for Labour, did not even bother to approach the polling places, perhaps because they decided there was no-one worthwhile to vote for or did not see any point in participating in a UK GE any more.
Not satisfied with simply exaggerating, you went completely overboard by a few miles and even stated that “the majority of the people of Scotland voted for Labour”
Well, the total number of people who were registered on the 1 December 2023 to vote in Scotland for the UK GE (information taken from the National Records of Scotland), was 4,007,187.
According to the Scottish Government, on Census Day, 20 March 2022, the population of Scotland was estimated to be 5,436,600. This means that only approximately 74% of the population in Scotland is registered to vote in UK GE.
This means that only 20.72% of 74% of the population in Scotland actually cast a vote for Labour. In real terms, this means that only an approximately meagre 15.3% of the population of Scotland actually voted for Labour. Hardly “the majority of the people of Scotland” that you claim. In fact, the overwhelming majority of the people of Scotland DID NOT vote for Labour.
This is what First Past the Post is hiding. Time for labour to come down from that cloud of theirs and the pretence that, somehow, Scotland miraculously has decided to resurrect its support for a party which, since the oil was discovered, has done nothing other than stabbing constantly Scotland in the back to ensure England can siphon all its resources and wealth. Never mind if that means killing children of Scotland of hunger and freezing the elderly to death. That is just collateral and part of the cause for Labour’s sadistic vision of unionism.
“As for the Vivian O’Blivion’s et al and their sophomoric plans for splendid isolation and a New World Order which some in here are so enamoured of, good luck selling that on the doorsteps.”
Who mentioned isolation?
Being independent & in full control of your own country, economy, trade, money & foreign policy will go down very well on the doorstep.
That new world order you despise so much is growing at an alarming rate exactly for all of the above reasons.
NATO is over. Its a colonial outfit. A foreign power who takes control of a countries Sovereignty as well as a huge patch of land that supersedes that countries laws & doesn’t even require the host countries permission to stockpile all sorts of shit on their territory & their personnel are immune from the law too.
They also demand control of all your military & a chunk of yer GDP for the privilege. Oh, & if they don’t like the fight they’ll pretend not to get involved & when they do, innocent civilians are their only level.
Good luck selling that shit on the doorstep.
Germany are beyond pissed they’ll be the proud owners of USA missiles without so much as being asked first & joining them is their latest new shiny members Finland & Sweden who are having buyers remorse already & Sweden already suffering casualties for interfering in a conflict fck all to do, supposedly, with NATO.
Lest we forget, NATO breaks international law. Its various conflicts have NOT been sanctioned by the UN but they just did it anyway.
As for the new world order, aye, no one is buying the ‘rules based order’ pish the Yanks just invented according to their own made up rules.
Suck it up sunshine.
Its isolationist to remain in a union making enemies around the world. Their empire is over.
From “Ireland, Island of Saints and Sages”, a talk given by James Joyce in 1907:
« […] Because, even today, the flight of the wild geese continues. Every year, Ireland, decimated as she already is, loses 60,000 of her sons. From 1850 to the present day, more than 5,000,000 emigrants have left for America, and every post brings to Ireland their inviting letters to friends and relatives at home. The old men, the corrupt, the children, and the poor stay at home, where the double yoke wears another groove in the tamed neck; and around the death bed where the poor, anaemic, almost lifeless, body lies in agony, the rulers give orders and the priests administer last rites.
« […] One thing alone seems clear to me. It is well past time for Ireland to have done once and for all with failure. If she is truly capable of reviving, let her awake, or let her cover up her head and lie down decently in her grave forever.
“We Irishmen’, said Oscar Wilde one day to a friend of mine, ‘have done nothing, but we are the greatest talkers since the time of the Greeks.’ But though the Irish are eloquent, a revolution is not made of human breath and compromises. Ireland has already had enough equivocations and misunderstandings. If she wants to put on the play that we have waited for so long, this time let it be whole, and complete, and definitive. But our advice to the Irish producers is the same as that our fathers gave them not so long ago – hurry up! I am sure that I, at least, will never see that curtain go up, because I will have already gone home on the last train. »
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