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NHTW#48

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Wednesday, November 20, 2024
1 hr 18 mins

Wings Over Scotland | Mistaken identity


Kevin Cargill

8 days ago

Ah but was he presenting as or identifying as? That’s one of the main differences between good old fashioned transvestites and our new modern “Transwomen”. Transvestites simply presented as poor imitations of women but would never claim to be one or use their spaces. Transwomen, however claim they are actual women, demand access to their spaces, play their sports, use their changing rooms and if others refuse to accept that then they demand that those TErf bigots be locked up and the key thrown away!!

Anyway, we’re not supposed to assume anything about anybody anymore. He might not be a burglar presenting as a mime artist but a mime artist presenting as a burglar.

Ooooh!! My brain hurts.


Molesworth

8 days ago

Trans people can call themselves whatever they want but that does not oblige the rest of us to follow suit.


Fearghas MacFhionnlaigh

8 days ago

The “arresting” image and impersonation theme brings to mind a Wings article from Aug 23, in which Stuart Campbell quotes the following intriguing info published by Roddy Dunlop KC:

“There has been some confusion about prosecutorial decisions of late. What follows is not aimed at any particular case. I know not why some cases are prosecuted and others are not. But the points below are perhaps not widely known.

“Police are not obliged to report to the Procurator Fiscal every alleged crime. They have a discretion to issue warnings. However, that does not apply where there is an aggravation. If there is then, in general, the case must be reported to the PF.

“The PF is not obliged to prosecute every reported crime. Again, there is a discretion. Once more, however, the discretion not to prosecute is removed, or at least tightly circumscribed, where there is an aggravation.

“An aggravation relates to certain (but not all) characteristics. Thus race is covered. As is religion; and sexual orientation; and gender reassignment. Misogyny, however, is not an aggravation. Likewise, being gender critical may be covered under the Equality Act. But it is not covered by aggravations under the criminal law.

“Accordingly, neither an assault on a woman for being a woman, or for being a gender critical woman, is an aggravated crime. A report of such could be dealt with by police warning, or not prosecuted by the PF, under the discretions mentioned above.

“On the other hand, an s.38 (breach of the peace) which involves no assault but which does involve alleged hate crime (ie race, religion, sexual orientation etc – but not misogyny) is aggravated and, in general, must be prosecuted and is not subject to those discretions.

“What this means is a breach of the peace involving verbal abuse of certain minorities must be prosecuted; but the assault of a woman does not have to be. Whether this is desirable or advisable I leave to others. But it’s where the law stands right now.”

(Quoted in Wings Over Scotland article: ‘How Scotland Hates Women’, 31 Aug 2023) —

link to wingsoverscotland.com

Anton Decadent

7 days ago

I am currently back at college and in the decade since I was last there it has got worse. Pisspoor service from people with pronouns on their bios and woke shite all over the walls.


Republicofscotland

7 days ago

Yip – England’s King Charles III and his spouse, trying desperately to identify as the king and queen of Scotland today – at Holyrood – when they are not.

Ian Brotherhood

6 days ago

Fresh ScotTory leader Russell Findlay declaring that the independence ‘dream’ is dead.

You have to wonder if this is just an attention-seeking stunt, whether it’s a response to something someone else said or he just did it off his own bat.

How much longer before anyone expressing support for independence is dismissed as a ‘terrorist’? The word seems malleable enough to apply to virtually anyone depending on how much they stray from the official narrative on anything.


Geri

6 days ago

Ian Brotherhood

“Fresh ScotTory leader Russell Findlay declaring that the independence ‘dream’ is dead.”

You have to laugh at the Tories. Only here in the cheap seats. They haven’t won a majority in Scotland for over 70+ years & their dreams of ever being a First Minister in the union is NIL.

Watch them get Scots back up even more each time they open their gob.

The dream hasn’t died in over 300 yrs yet those roasters think it only started in 2013 lol.

Dorothy Devine

6 days ago

I am struggling to get over comments made regarding the death Hassan Nasrallah by Biden and some German spokesperson as ‘justice’ while ignoring the many killed in order to assassinate the man.

I am also worried by ‘deep intelligence’ which I find myself interpreting as torture.

I wonder at the world watching and doing hee haw and at snail’s pace.

I wonder at the charities asking the public for aid to those in desperate circumstances in the area while Westminster government continues to provide weaponry.

I wonder at the closing down of public protest as mentioned in the Guardian today.


Geri

6 days ago

Dorothy

That’s an easy one..

Colonising warmongers = good.
Everyone else = terrorists.

Dan

Imagine being as thick as to believe foreign companies own Scotlands resources just cause they own a drill LOL! In an independent Scotland – any contracts would be renegotiated. An independent Scotland with its own currency & central bank can easily afford legal costs to any arse wipe who thinks otherwise.

BRICS is doing an interesting program of establishing universities around the world to help future generations to maintain their own countries natural resources, economies, tech, research & diplomacy to ensure future generations can maintain their Sovereignty. R is currently helping Africa turn on electricity, some regions for the very first time. Pooling & sharing from each member country expert advice & know how who can share a wealth of knowledge.

Of course, to ppl like Main Mary quite contrary, it’ll be a jihadi recruiting program that will arrive in dingies any moment to steal the excellent standard of living we all have here. So we better all stay awake..


Ian Brotherhood

5 days ago

Just lobbing this in…

What if an independent Scotland joined BRICS?

Young Lochinvar

5 days ago

Slightly off topic, mind you maybe not.

The SNP, following SHE who shall not be nameds social engineering mania has upped the minimum price of alcohol penalty again, based on advice from focus groups (some Quangos likely ScotGov funded) endless sole reason for beings crusade.

So continuity continues to continue continually till this crowd of bampots get voted out into the void.
Rock on 2016.

SHE who shall not be named claimed the reduction in deaths linked to alcohol was her greatest achievement (ultimately proved completely false) and the roll out of baby boxes in her premiership of queer.

Baby boxes; an achievement that doesn’t really prompt high fives all round over years of power gained on electoral manifestos based on the drive for independence- ironically with hindsight the last thing on her mind possessed by madcap social engineering schemes notably absent in the electioneering material provided to us mere voters.

Wondering which level of Dante’s hell they should be plonked in head first, probably rotating through the levels given their manifest misdeeds.


Geri

5 days ago

Young Lochinvar

Baby boxes weren’t even her policy. It was Salmonds & I think someone called McDonald (?) who was sent on a fact finding mission on how the policy worked in other countries.

& According to Robin McAlpine she dropped half the measures that were supposed to go along with it to help new parents. She just went straight to release the box early & soaked up the selfies & the glory.

Minimum pricing wasn’t her idea either.

She achieved nothing in office & she shouldn’t get to take credit for things that weren’t her policies but we have a moronic media who’ll let those facts slip.

George Ferguson

5 days ago

The longer Branchform goes on the more I think of a “Not in the Public Interest” outcome. Of course who is deciding that?. The same players that treat the Scottish Public with contempt. Absolutely nobody will think of Scottish Institutions with any value after that outcome. High stakes do the right thing. My expectation is lowered by the day.


Dan

5 days ago

@ Geri 9:44 pm

Then we’re going to have to find out what Scottish folk think a definition of statesmanperson like is. Maybe one for the #AskAndy because he knows what the majority of Scots are thinking.

Will it be some kind of stereotypical boring repressed magnolia academic intellectual don’t rock the boat conformist to the status quo suit and tie wearing uninspiring shiny overly clean dullard.

Or maybe Scots will want to be represented by more unconventional exciting edgy type of characters who are so focused on and committed to improving the lives of their fellow countryfolk, that they don’t have time for shit like learning ancient guff Latin because Ohm’s and Boyle’s Law are more important these days, and are to busy serving their citizens to piss away time endlessly repeat washing and ironing fancy clothes that are barely dirty, and tweeting about what books they have read, so a kind of mucky pup rough diamond of unkempt worn out faded and torn workwear Derilicte Chic, with as iirc Craig Murray put it- decently dirty finger nails, which shows they are grafters and not some vain self-obsessed head up their arse boring narcissist.

Whilst here I was reading on t’internet some Mr Robot motivated idea to bring down Evil Corp through uncivil obedience.
If on an un-metered mains water supply with good pressure: Crash Scottish Water and greedy energy company profits and infrastructure by connecting a micro generation pelton wheel turbine leccy generator to your tap and just turn it wide open to create your own free small amount of power 24/7 (or at least until you can’t flush away that last stinky turd you did).

Confused

5 days ago

there is a situation out east that threatens to drag in many other nations; it could affect us, Scotland, since we are … part of this world, but there seems to be some ban here on using the words to describe the people we are talking about; this is either ignorance or cowardice. “zionism” is part of it, but it is only one project, successfully completed. There is a tumour, then there is metastasis, i.e. riddled with it, everywhere.

I remember all this going back to when I was a student, all the noise, the posturing, the bullshit; nothing has improved in any way since then. It won’t get any better either. But if you try to talk about what you need to talk about you get accused of antisemitism.

People should read, and it is readable “the controversy of zion” by douglas reed (many other books too, but this is a coherent overview); it destroyed his career, which had been a good one. An extrapolation of that book (1955 I think) would have predicted the future. No one wants to read it, and it is full of things “you cannot say”.

Right now, the terrorist stolen country wants to grab southern lebnon, mainly for the water; the holy land is not great real estate, a rather dry shithole, and with no hydrocarbons.

Back at uni, a mate of mine was from that country, he had emigrated from ru_sha. Turns out he had served in the IDF (they all do) and had the rank of major – he had been, on the ground with troops in lebanon in 1982. He pursued an academic career after; we all considered him incredibly rightwing, but by issy standards he was a “bleeding heart liberal”. His opinion was that the leaders of the country were “nuts” and did not want peace – as far as they were concerned, the US and by extension europe were in their pockets, they were very strong and so why should they give anything up; they wanted more, from nile to the euphrates, and every other country in the region smashed up to allow them to be dominated. This is the yinon plan. It panned out like he said, especially post 2000 when the likudnik ideologues known as “neoconservatives” took over US foreign policy under the toom tabard, dubya.

The slavish obedience of almost all western politicians seems bizarre to me; the only explanation is that there is a lot of blackmail and bribery going on. Even in holyrood.

Anyone watch Schindler’s List last night? Holocaust propaganda, but one thing struck me – the shower scene where they are all crammed in and … water comes out the nozzles.

– what was that about? Is Spielberg a “denier”?


Geri

5 days ago

Confused

I think the slavish obedience is the adoption by all Western parliaments to that student scribblings ‘working definition of anti-Semitism’

A cult code that yer in their Z club & will slavishly follow orders or be persecuted or prosecuted on jumped up charges while the cult all nod along like lemmings in agreement.

Has there ever been any other group use survivors & command such powers in every single parliament as they do & all while being unelected?

You’re right, they’ll never accept peace because along with the Yanks they want the whole region & like all colonisers they won’t know when to stop. The Z dream is their own state & lots of colonies to dominate.

Alf Baird

5 days ago

Geri @ 9:37 am

“they’ll never accept peace because along with the Yanks they want the whole region & like all colonisers they won’t know when to stop.”

Yes, what we see fits with what Memmi described, that “colonial fascism (like a) cancer wants only to spread”.

And hence the colonialist “can only support oppressive or reactionary governments”.

As confirmed by btl bad actors here.

Vivian O’Blivion

5 days ago

It’s true the US State Department’s all or nothing pursuit of Zionist hegemony in West Asia is alienating many formerly friendly or neutral states in the Caribbean, Central America, South America, Africa, South Asia, the Middle East, East Asia, Central Asia and the Pacific, but it’s not all one-way traffic.

The current generation of political leaders in Finland and Sweden signing up to NATO membership with their respective parliaments (for the time being at least) is the culmination of decades of careful cultivation by the State Department.

Young middle-class politics graduates devoid of real work and life experience, promoted through invisible networks of patronage and opaquely funded third-sector influencing outfits. We know these folks all too well here (John Smith Centre, British American Project, etc..). The common currency these apparatchiks exchange is Identity Politics.

Previous generations of Scandinavian politicians would never have agreed to NATO membership. The proposition is preposterous. Finland & Sweden managed to remain neutral while sharing a land and maritime border with a notionally ideological and expansionist Soviet Union. The idea that the Russian Federation is about to occupy non-Russian speaking territory is crazy. Yes, I’m well aware of Russian expansion into Finland during Tsarist times.

The folk of Finland will pay the price for this Foggy Bottom directed lunacy. Finnish defence spending in terms of GDP has expanded by 50% in four years. In addition, Finnish / Russian trade has ceased. Prior to this, Finland exported $2b pa worth of goods to Russia and received $5b pa in return. As Russian exports comprised raw materials for Finish industry the cumulative effect will impact hard on living standards in Helsinki.

The career politicians touched by the magic hand of the State Department will of course be immune to hardship. Politics is a precarious means of putting bread on the table, but that’s Foggy Bottom’s sales pitch, a safety net for when the great unwashed rumble these carpetbagging parasites. In England, second careers in the House of Lords are dispensed, in Scotland, academic sinecures are handed out. Other means of remuneration are available.

The previous high point of State Department interference in Nordic politics was Helle Thorning-Schmidt’s, Prime Ministerial stint in Denmark. This was the period where the Danish Security Services bugged Angela Merkel’s phone at the behest of the American NSA.

On being kicked out of office in 2015, Thorning-Schmidt was promptly hired as CEO of Save the Children. The incumbent of that post at present earns in excess of £200k. This reminds me somewhat of David Milliband’s consolation prize for loosing the Labour leadership election to his brother. Milliband senior was awarded the position of CEO of the International Rescue Committee in 2013 (a position he still holds). This New York based post carried at the time a salary of £300k. This package has subsequently rocketed to well in excess of £760k.

Thorning-Schmidt is married to Blairite ghoul Stephen Kinnock, the epitome of the entitled profession politician.

Thorning-Schmitd’s résumé is a wonder to behold. Directorships in a dozen globalist, Neoliberal outfits. WEF, Atlantic Council, Council on Foreign Relations, etc., etc., etc.. A CV like that ‘I’ll get you a prime seat on the first tumbril when the pitchforks & burning torches appear.

Thorning-Schmidt and Kinnock possess the must have accessory for these lofty circles; a Trans son / daughter / whatever.


Robert Hughes

5 days ago

Suspicions confirmed . Idiot Main is one these weird * Christian * Z***ists who long for the Rupture ( sic ) ; just cannae wait for the total extinction of life on Earth ’cause , y’know , J.C is gonna come back n kill all those unbelievers who threaten to increase his tax n are no too keen on dying a pointless death to save cunts like Yahoo from facing the corruption charges that should have seen him jailed years ago , n his counterpart in Tellybubbyland-on-the-Dnieper from decorating a lamppost for the destruction he’s brought down on * his * people – at the behest of his controllers in the United Deep State of Yankville , of course .

The clown who sneers at references to the 300+ years of * Union * says a ( probably ) fictitious person who myth,legend & literary constructions allege lived 2000+ years ago justifies the horrific death of incalculable numbers of humans .

Now God’s 11 have extended their murder-campaign into a neighbouring country – n them only having $billions in weaponry , tech-support n unanimous applause from their Yank n European obsequious footservants to back them up , brave as fuck , eh ? – that region will become one vast charnel house , with the distinct possibility of global conflagration as a result .

Ach well , as long as wee Bible Yawn Main get’s his seat among the Elect it’ll all be worth it , right ?


Confused

5 days ago

@RH

a 3000 year old property deal between imaginary beings and a schizophrenic old man who tries to murder his own son, thinks better of it, then invents an amazing tale to cover it up … is the gold standard of “ancient guff” IMO

– it makes the treaty of union look like yesterday’s till receipt from Tesco


Breeks

4 days ago

One-in-ten civil servants ‘should be in prison’, says Conservative leadership hopeful Kemi Badenoch. She has been to Scotland then…

Robert Jenrick doubles down on UK’s ‘killing rather than capturing terrorists’. I feel “extrajudicial assassination” or execution without trial, were the expressions he was reaching for…. Or genocidal psychopathy on some occassions. Apparently, Britain has brought back the death penalty. Who knew eh?

Err, am I actually safe saying that? Or is there a drone with my name on it now? Parapets seem so terribly low these days.

Tory’s eh? What are they like? I blame the parents. And the schools. And the privilege. And the corrupt media. And Lobbyists. And the cheap and nasty moral compasses they bought in bluddy Ch1na.


Geri

4 days ago

Breeks

They’d rather kill them because we’d find out at trial they were on the payroll.

Its an Anglo American thing – those bastions of truth & morality. Just dispense with innocent until proven guilty & go straight to torture & death.

Saddam, Bin Laden etc etc never seen the inside of a court room. Just degraded & murdered & ppl like Main lap it up cause it’ll save the government a few tax ££s cause the BBC told him they had their man.

You are right to worry about censorship. England is moving to full, unhinged fascism. Now PACE is thinking the government should crack down on churches who can harm ‘Free thought’ & be used to spread propaganda… LMAO! So even yer thoughts won’t be free for much longer. They’re going full Orwellian. We can see how TRAs were just a tool..

Not surprising really. That’s the britnats. Its in their DNA. Hob nobbing with Isr has brought out their inner fascism.

Scotland will not need to persuade anyone to get away from this shite.


Dorothy Devine

4 days ago

I am getting extremely sick of the media coverage , of politicians saying ‘we have repeatedly said there has to be a ceasefire’ when British airforce have been muscling in to aid and abet the killing of innocents.Of the USA and UK posing as the good guys and deeming everyone and their Auntie terrorists and the media constantly reiterating that those voted into power by the people over there are the bad guys. I am still waiting for the Lebanese army to step up to the plate and defend their land and people along with those already on the front line.
And if we are so keen on that ceasefire why are the USA and UK still providing weapons – is it all about the war machine making money or is it about protecting the ‘interests’ of the USA/UK and OIL ? Green energy is a farce and the world can burn and flood as long as it ain’t the USA.
I’ll bet someone on here will know how much it costs to fly a wee fighter jet for an hour and how much crap it pumps into the atmosphere at the same time.


Confused

3 days ago

come on rev, Scotland exists in the wider world, everything affects everything else, and we are in it like it or not; raytheon, the bomb maker, is in livingston and glenrothes.

– there’s only so much talk about trannies I can take, which seems to have taken over wings. I bought and read graham linehan’s book, but I’m done.

they all end up committing suicide anyway once they realise mutilating their genitals didn’t solve their mental problems, and ugly blokes becoming fucking ugly women, is a dead end. The monkeypox virus will sort out loads of them too. Black boils on the arse, biblical punishment.

toilets and womens sport are going to seem like quaint issues if serious weight starts flying around

– and young Scots could end up fighting in it.

your blog, your rules, fair enough. But these could be momentous times.

I am not complaining about you deleting my posts, if too spicy, but this is a general point.

Robert Hughes

3 days ago

@ Confused .

Spot-on , as always .

The shit that’s happening now is just fckn off-the-scale crazy ; the most volatile , potentially terminal geopolitical situation in probably all of our lifetimes . How can we not be * concerned * ?

Is it not also worth discussing the truly nauseating/enfuriating , on-message outright propaganda being spewed 24/7 on MSM ?

It didn’t start with ” Covid ” , but State & Corporate Media’s abandonment of anything resembling accurate , objective ( forget Investigative , that’s long gone ) reporting took a massive leap at that point , followed with ” uncanny ” timing by the war in the East n when that single failed to chart they dropped the new banger from A Tribe Called Arrested Development , BOOM ! straight to #1 – with a bullet ; lots a bullets n rockets n tanks n a totally supine Political/Media Class that cannae grovel low enough to sanction the horror .

” they all end up committing suicide anyway once they realise mutilating their genitals didn’t solve their mental problems, and ugly blokes becoming fucking ugly women, is a dead end. ”

ahahahaha , ‘kin belter , compadre


Vivian O’Blivion

3 days ago

Cast your minds back to 2021 when the Suez Canal was blocked for 6 days when the mega container ship, Ever Given slewed across a narrow section and became wedged between the banks. That ship was 100% undamaged and under its own steam. The naval architects tasked with designing the Ever Given were told to build the biggest ship that could fit in the canal. That created a unique vulnerability.

What if rather than Pilot error (failing to anticipate bank effect), a similar mega carrier was hit by ballistic missiles? I don’t know whether the players involved have the technology to hit a moving target, but these ships have a big, slow moving footprint. Equally, I don’t know how much damage a missile would do to the infrastructure of the ship (protected as it is by many layers of shipping containers), but stopping it would be enough to present a stationary target for a subsequent barrage of missiles to finish the job.

This is just one hypothetical. In the pell-mell rush for NeoLiberal, global trade and interconnectivity, the Western, Permanent State created multiple, critical vulnerabilities.

I’m off to purchase a bicycle, I foresee fuel prices going through the roof.
Perhaps PetroIneos at Grangemouth will receive a reprieve after all?


Dan

3 days ago

I’ll post this again seeing as John Main continues to say no explanation of his number 3 has been made as to how Scotland could be better off if we returned to self-governance.

The Kingdom of Scotland has a much better resources to population figure than the Kingdom of England.

(Old stats so may not be 100% accurate but it gives the gist.)

KINGDOM OF SCOTLAND WITH ONLY 9% OF THE UK POPULATION HAS:

32% of the land area.
61% of the sea area.
90% of the fresh water.
65% of the natural gas production
96.5% of the crude oil production.
47% of the open cast coal production
81% of the untapped coal reserves
62% of the timber production
46% of the total forest area
92% of the hydro electric production
40% of the wind wave and solar energy production
60% of the fish landings
30% of the beef herd
20% of the sheep herd
9% of the dairy herd
10% of the pig herd
15% if the cereal holdings
20% of the potato holdings
90% of the whisky industry
70% of gin production

KINGDOM OF ENGLAND WITH 91% OF THE UK POPULATION ONLY HAS:

68% of the land area.
39% of the sea area.
10% of the fresh water.
35% of the natural gas production
3.5% of the crude oil production.
53% of the open cast coal production
19% of the untapped coal reserves
38% of the timber production
54% of the total forest area
8% of the hydro electric production
60% of the wind wave and solar energy production
40% of the fish landings
70% of the beef herd
80% of the sheep herd
91% of the dairy herd
90% of the pig herd
85% if the cereal holdings
80% of the potato holdings
10% of the whisky industry
30% of gin production

The revenue streams generated by the current UK government policies means the two Kingdoms’ combined resources help to serve the UK population of 67 million.
So if Scotland returned to self-governance we could even just emulate current UK policies and therefore with The Kingdom of Scotland’s much improved resources to population figures it would mean the larger proportional revenue stream generated by those Scottish resources would only have to serve 5.4 million.

Obviously we would also have the ability to tweak and alter policy to better suit our needs.
You know, stuff like having power over immigration so we’d actually get to set the criteria and determine just who is and isn’t allowed to come here.
It’s not racist or xenophobic to point out that it is not sensible or sustainable for a country struggling with a poor economic situation due to policies enacted by London Rule, to have an open door policy in which facilitates the arrival of folk that are a net drain on society.
Plus if all these immigrants are such a positive boom for us, does that not mean that by them coming here it is a negative loss to their own homelands. That’s surely not very progressive to effectively steal the good folk from other countries.

Geri

3 days ago

FFS you could talk about independence until the cows come home. Preaching to the converted. It won’t change a single thing. World affairs are all relative. Scotland won’t gain her independence just as Palestine never will until American Hegemony/interference is over. Unless you’ve been living in a cave lately, or only follow the SNP tra fanzine, there is currently an energy war going on.
Censorship clampdown & a return to fascism where democracy no longer applies..

But do carry on. I’m sure the Anglo Americans will just let Scotland go & the UK lose their seat as a permanent member of the security council & all it’s wee associated clubs thats hellbent on squeezing $26 Trillion in critical minerals out of U. That was only a fake Obama who interfered last time. Honest!

Who do you think trashed Indy? The SNP? Lol. They were only following orders. TRA was a directive to cause civil unrest & to make way for a whole barrage of new laws & rrestriction & censorship is up next. So y’all better chat about Indy before it’s outlawed I guess. If nukes strapped tae Scotland doesn’t get us all first.

As you were. I can’t wait to read how Scotland will gain Indy in the middle of WW3 but knock yerels out..


Ian Brotherhood

3 days ago

Many of us would much rather not feel compelled to raise ‘global’ matters but being represented by the ‘United Kingdom’ in the United Nations is intolerable and is reason enough, in itself, to regain full independence.

It doesn’t matter what the topic happens to be – Scots have our own take on all manner of subjects and are entitled to have them heard. When the PM or the Foreign Secretary or senior Whitehall mandarins give forth on this or that on an international stage and use ‘we’, they’re speaking on behalf of their own special interests, not us. They don’t represent us, have no right to claim that they do, and it’s incumbent on all Scottish independence supporters to make that fact plain at every opportunity.


Dan

3 days ago

@ Geri

Surely there is a better chance of instigating change and people being receptive to doing things a better way during times of fear and uncertainty, compared to when folk are living in a perceived more relaxed status quo.
Carpe diem and al that.
Now would be a rather good time to have those credible envoys representing a Scottish voice on the international stage we mentioned the other day, stating that Scotland wants no part in what is playing out due to UK governance choices dragging us into realms we’d rather not be part of. It would be handy not getting turned to glass if it does kick off ya ken.
I’m just finishing restoring a lovely cast iron bath made on 25/7/1941, and would really like a relaxing soak in it rather than getting turned to dusty ash space compost.
The discussions here needn’t just be solely about self-governance, they can be about a wide spectrum of policies better suited to Scotland and our needs and aspirations now and for the future.
We have to continue to make the positive case like others before us have because all the time we waste waiting for the right time just means we are further constrained with shit like freeports, and the demographics ain’t helpful either.
I thought it was a given that discussions and information posted on here (the supposedly most read Scottish politics site) that stimulated the mind and inspired folk to consider other ways of doing things would permeate out into wider society if folk took the opportunities to interact with others outwith this bubble.

But as I mentioned this morning, it’s Stu’s site and rules and he’s seemingly content to allow it to take the trajectory it’s on with shite like Main’s latest play the man and not the ball pish.

Vivian O’Blivion

2 days ago

It’s true the US State Department’s all or nothing pursuit of hegemony for its rogue, proxy state in West Asia is alienating many formerly friendly or neutral states in the Caribbean, Central America, South America, Africa, South Asia, the Middle East, East Asia, Central Asia and the Pacific, but it’s not all one-way traffic.

The current generation of political leaders in Finland and Sweden signing up to NAT0 membership with their respective parliaments (for the time being at least) is the culmination of decades of careful cultivation by the State Department.

Young middle-class politics graduates devoid of real work and life experience, promoted through invisible networks of patronage and opaquely funded third-sector influencing outfits. We know these folks all too well here (John Smith Centre at the University of Glasgow, British American Project, etc..). The common currency these apparatchiks exchange is Identity Politics.

Previous generations of Scandinavian politicians would never have agreed to NATO membership. The proposition is preposterous. Finland & Sweden managed to remain neutral while sharing a land and maritime border with a notionally ideological and expansionist Soviet Union. The idea that the Ru33ian Federation is about to occupy non-Ru33ian speaking territory is crazy. Yes, I’m well aware of Ru33ian expansion into Finland during Tsarist times.

The folk of Finland will pay the price for this Foggy Bottom directed lunacy. Finnish defence spending in terms of GDP has expanded by 50% in four years. In addition, Finnish / Ru33ian trade has ceased. Prior to this, Finland exported $2b pa worth of goods to Ru33ia and received $5b pa of goods in return. As Ru33ian exports comprised raw materials for Finnish industry the cumulative effect will impact hard on living standards of ordinary citizens in Helsinki.

The career politicians touched by the magic hand of the State Department will of course be immune to hardship. Politics is a precarious means of putting bread on the table, but that’s Foggy Bottom’s sales pitch, a safety net for when the great unwashed rumble these carpetbagging parasites. In England, second careers in the House of Lords are dispensed, in Scotland, academic sinecures are handed out. Other means of remuneration are available.

The previous high point of State Department interference in Nordic politics was Helle Thorning-Schmidt’s, Prime Ministerial stint in Denmark. This was the period where the Danish Security Services bugged Angela Merkel’s phone at the behest of the American NSA.

On being kicked out of office in 2015, Thorning-Schmidt was promptly hired as CEO of Save the Children. The incumbent of that post at present earns in excess of £200k. This reminds me somewhat of David Milliband’s consolation prize for loosing the Labour leadership election to his brother. Milliband senior was awarded the position of CEO of the International Rescue Committee in 2013 (a position he still holds). This New York based post carried at the time a salary of £300k. This package has subsequently rocketed to well in excess of £760k.

Thorning-Schmidt is married to Blairite ghoul Stephen Kinnock, the epitome of the entitled profession politician.

Thorning-Schmitd’s résumé is a wonder to behold. Directorships in a dozen globalist, Neoliberal outfits. WEF, Atlantic Council, Council on Foreign Relations, etc., etc., etc.. A CV like that ‘I’ll get you a prime seat on the first tumbril when the pitchforks & burning torches appear.

Thorning-Schmidt and Kinnock possess the must have accessory for these lofty circles; a Trans son / daughter / whatever.


twathater

2 days ago

On reading Vivian Oblivion’s post you have to ask yourself, is there really any way to circumvent and destroy this ongoing cabal of favoured time serving carpet baggers

In the uk we have the merry go round circle of favoured CEO’s effortlessly moving from one extremely high paid position to another even although their chairmanship within their current employment has been less than startling or even damaging, the exact same situation is enacted by football managers, failure to win trophies can lead to dismissal but somehow there is usually a clamour from clubs offering pie in the sky salaries for these useless failures

ITV has employed Ed Balls as a newsreader cum presenter FFS Balls must have been one of the most incompetent politicians of his time yet he always seems to land prime positions despite being personality vacant and boring, his wife mirrors his vacuous personality

I stopped donating to certain charities when their CEO’S salaries started to become obnoxious and ridiculous how many donations of £10 does it take to pay their exorbitant salaries and the rest of the middle management,those donations never benefit the people they are meant for

Scotland will never become independent with the shower of dross we have as politicians, I honestly cannot think of anyone within the political classes who I believe has the FIGHT or drive to win independence, I believe the ONLY ones who have the drive and fight have to come as individuals and TBH a start would be Dan,Mia,Vivian,Breeks,Geri,Xaracen,Robert Hughes and others who are passionate and driven and will FIGHT tooth and claw for their country

Breeks

2 days ago

Now reading this dangerous warmongering scum is intending to target 1ran1an oil fields, and Uncle Sam intends to help them all the way.

These unhinged psychotic cu*!ts will kill us all.

All decent, right thinking people in America, UK, – this is your time; the time you must act to depose these unrestrained lunatics. You are living in 1930’s Germany with delusional leadership detached from reality which grows daily into unchecked facist lunacy.

Shake yourselves. You are impaired. You are propagandised, desensitised, misled, lied to, and manipulated. Your induced complacency is being used by leaders who wish to commit atrocity after atrocity to defend their parasitic wealth and grasp on power.

You are offered the “democratic” choice of red or blue, but the game is rigged. The Devil himself commands both colours.

You are not the good guys. You are not the heroes who can save this at the death, you are complicit in the making of this. You are complicit in the end of us.

Just days ago, when the UK imbeciles were jumping up and down to send Storm Shadow missiles to M0sc0w, we were 7 hours from nuclear Armageddon; closer to oblivion than during the Cuban crisis, and yet you’ve not been told a word about it.

If anyone survives, can I ask you a favour? Find a stick, and write in the sand that none of this was done in my name.

Mac

2 days ago

Gen0cide and ethnic cleansing… of the Holy Lands…of the living descendants of biblical time… by inbred, hate filled (he picked his name well) psychotic, perverted weirdos from Bro0klyn. Does it get anymore fucked up, more evil, than that. WTF.

An imminent regional war caused by a criminal lunatic who sees it as the only way to keep his satanic carcass out of jail. And everyone is like, that’s fine. Why?

You know they are going to use a nuclear weapon somehow, they are burning a hole in their pocket.

Meanwhile it is Friday and we are commenting on last Saturdays’ cartoon.

I think that answers the question about going off topic. What fucking topic. There is nothing happening Scotland.

Meanwhile we are on the brink of a global catastrophe. It is increasing surreal at times.

Not one of us knows who is really running the US right now. Been like that for four years.

This month before the US election is potentially the craziest yet. Buckle up.

The baby killing ghouls on here are moving into overdrive.

Oh and the sudden appearance of the ‘comet of the century’ is probably not a bad omen. It’s fine.


Mia

2 days ago

“Now reading this dangerous warmongering scum is intending to target 1ran1an oil fields, and Uncle Sam intends to help them all the way”

Of course they are. You can see that they have been engineering this move for a very long time. It is more likely than not that the rogue state is targeting their oil fields on behalf of “Uncle Sam”

Because being fair, the tentacles of influence from the rogue state are so deeply stuck in Uncle Sam’s government structures that it is very difficult to establish now where one ends and the other starts.

1rN is officially a member of the BRICS. It is one of the major oil producers in the world and is no longer trading in dollars.

If an oil rich country (or mineral rich country like U) is not trading its oil (or minerals) in dollars, then it is not creating a surplus of dollars that

a) it will need to recycle
b) Uncle Sam can put its greedy paws on and steal under the guise of faux “economic sanctions”, just as it did recently with R’s dollar reserves

If an oil rich country does not create a surplus in dollars, it cannot recycle them by buying Uncle Sam’s debt, and that is the big problem for Uncle Sam.

Uncle Sam has been living beyond its possibilities since WWII thanks to the oil and mineral rich countries in the world continuously buying its debt.

This is the privilege the hegemon has been enjoying since WWII in this convenient unipolar world at the expense of everybody else.

It is the threat to this unipolar world, with the dollar as the major currency, what is driving all these wars in my opinion.

The BRICS is its the main axis against that unipolar world.

The hegemon is desperate to get their greedy paws on those 1RN oil fields in a frantic attempt to stall and turn back the accelerating tide of de-dollarisation. Because, if de-dollarisation succeeds, it loses its global power.

YOu can clearly see that the colonial warmongers are independently targeting the three main axis of the BRICS: I, China, R. You know, divide and conquer.

They are trying to separate them by engaging them in independent wars.

They have tied R in this stupid U war, which is nothing but a proxy war for uncle sam.

Now the genocidal rogue state has targeted 1Rn I wonder what they have in store for China.

Another emerging power contributing to de-dollarisation is the global south. We saw what the idiot Cameron did in Libya to stop them. That was because Libya’s leader was the main promoter of a union of African countries and for them to have their own single currency, the gold Dinar, just like the EU has the euro.

But the gold dinar was not to be a fiat currency. It was going to be backed by gold. I wonder what else the hegemon and its rogue state master have in store for them as well.

In my opinion, all these wars have been orchestrated by the hegemon. Now it is simply using its poodles to deploy them and fight them on its behalf.

There is an interesting paper “Global Strategic Trends: Out to 2055”, published by the Ministry of Defence. You can download it from the gov.uk website. They also have a bite-size summary to download.

You will see from that paper that they are already preparing for potential scenarios where the hegemon loses all or part of its power and influence.

Interestingly, this quote is from the paper:
“R[redacted]’s future status in the international order is likely to depend on the outcome of its war in Ukraine and its ability to manage the consequences across social, political and economic sectors, but it is likely to remain ambitious
and the desire to retain or regain great power status will continue to drive its behaviour”

From this, you might guess that one of the main reasons behind this stupid U war has been an attempt to weaken R.

This is also quoted from the paper:

“emerging middle powers such as Indonesia, Pakistan, Saudi
Arabia, 1RN, Turkey, South Africa, Nigeria and Brazil may see their influence grow.
Middle powers may also wield influence through regional economic, political and military organisations such as the European Union, NATO, the African Union,
the Association of Southeast Asian Nations and the BRICS group, and some of these organisations may see their power and influence grow”

From this you start to understand why uncle sam is so desperate to get more (poodle) EU countries into NATO. It is to counteract the influence of those emerging middle powers.

Because the hegemon cannot retain power and influence by itself anymore, it has to, via its poodles, attack the other emergent countries so they do not take over.

What I will never understand is what kind of toxic kool aid the EU has drunk to become uncle sam’s self-immolating poodle. The EU with its euro was the first real threat to the hegemon and to the supremacy of the dollar. If I remember correctly, Iraq was wanting to trade oil in euros, and so was Lybia – hence being engulfed soon after that announcement into vicious US driven neoliberal wars whose only purpose was to take control over the oilfields and restore the trading in dollars.

This did not benefit the EU at all. The U and middle east wars are not benefiting the EU either. They are damaging its economic prospects. So, why can they possibly be so invested in it?
Is it a matter that the main EU countries’ governments are all US and the rogue state poodles?

Geri

Reply to  Mia

1 day ago

Yes.
Uncle Sam’s plans for the EU is to make them all dependencies.

Remember US policy is to have no one country, & no strong collective either (EU) because it’s an existential threat to US primacy & world domination.

They’ve already drained the EU of industries, any meaningful individual military capability, just saddled them all with decades of debt paying for their proxy war in U, insisted they break trade, steal reserves, issue sanctions & finally blowing up Nordstream has also made them energy reliant on Uncle Sam now
too.

They want the EU to be an industrial military complex – buying & supplying weapons to NATO which is also Uncle Sam & to cut off R ports & Chinas Belt & Road initiative through Europe.

The euro will tank because it was built on a strong Germany & it’s not strong any longer since they sabotaged Nordstream & their cooperation for cheap energy from R. Car manufacturing being the biggest fail when they thought they’d tell P they weren’t selling them cars anymore. Oh dear, big mistake. They just bought them from China instead. No harm done to P but every harm to Germany.

Now Germany wants to talk to P but P isn’t playing. They already humiliated & double crossed him with Minsk & again with Minsk2 so he’ll make them wait. He’s not the one in trouble lol Germany is.

Mac

2 days ago

“It says here in this history book that luckily, the good guys have won every single time. What are the odds?”
– Norm MacDonald

That Mitchell & Webb sketch… “Are we the baddies” is now beyond ironic.

I laughed at it myself… at the time.

I was laughing from the belly of the beast. We all are.

Everything Alf Baird says is clearly true and applicable but this is really much worse, much bigger than just that, than just us.


Mia

2 days ago

“But it is far worse than just that… they are attacking ‘us’ (the indigenous populations) as well as using us to attack these other countries”

I think this is well reflected on the poisonous Sturgeon’s regime.

“Attacking us”
She attacked us with the poisonous and divisive gender woowoo and self-id crap. She also attacked us with a barrage of malicious prosecutions and by deliberately denying us self-determination despite giving countless democratic mandates for it. The Keatings case and how she handed control to a crown minion parachuted to the cabinet so this individual could walk all over democracy by seizing control over our legislative power to stop the referendum bill were magnificent examples of this disgusting attack on democracy under Sturgeon’s poisonous regime. Another example, of course, was her continuously undermining of Scotland’s popular sovereignty by insisting in systematically handing a veto to the UK gov.

“Using us to attack others”
This was reflected by the way Sturgeon immediately took sides with U and in the way the SNP apparatchicks started to force-feeding U flags down our throats to brainwash us into blindly supporting U against R, while no information at all as to what the real background and reason behind this war actually was.

In my opinion, their objective is clearly to restore the world-“order” where uncle sam remains the supreme hegemon that puts its paws on the assets of any other country whenever it wants and can continue to freely use the dollar to control world trade.

This is a world “order” that ensures uncle sam’s debt is dished out to other countries in the form of treasuries so it can continue to overspend beyond its means.

This is a world “order” where it can continue to use the dollar as its main tool of foreign policy to keep powerful, rich countries on a leash via “sanctions”, which effectively means state sponsored theft of other country’s liquid assets.

This world “order” has been threatened for a while with the growth of China. But it really was the overreach of a greedy and over-confident uncle sam when they dared seizing R’s dollar reserves what tilted the balance.

They only have themsleves to blame, really. But now they are forcing us all to pay for their stupid greedy mistake. Because the only role of the world countries have, in uncle sam’s view, is to act as the convenient mops that clear up and pay for the shit uncle sam’s constantly stirs and spreads.

Mia

2 days ago

“I guess it’s easier to just use the lame ass cop out excuse that warring shit might end us so why bother doing anything”

I may be very naive and overthinking things, but I see every thing that is happening in the war fronts today as being directly linked to suppressing Scotland’s independence in 2014 and since then to this day.

Remember the words of Obama in 2014 according to the BBC:
“Barack Obama has said the interest of the US in the Scottish independence referendum issue was to ensure it retained a “strong, robust, united and effective partner”.

Remember the words of Hillary Clinton:
“I would hate to have you lose Scotland. I hope that it doesn’t happen but I don’t have a vote in Scotland. But I would hope it doesn’t happen.”

In 2014, it was very clear that it was in uncle sam’s geopolitical interests and foreign plans that Scotland remained firmly in the UK.

Why?

Mr Salmond very clearly responded to Obama’s comment saying that if Scotland were to become independent, uncle sam would not have just one ally in the UK, it would have two allies in Scotland and England.

But, should the kingdoms of England and Scotland separate, the reality is that it would not be so easy for uncle sam to continue using both as its poodles on demand and throwing them to do the dirty work on its behalf as efficiently as it is now.

It is very likely that an independent Scotland would, sooner or later, ensure the trident and nuclear heads currently in Scotland’s territory, and which effectively have drawn a massive bullseye target on our backs, would be sent somewhere else. Let’s remember that it is not the UK gov who has the keys to deploy those weapons. It is uncle sam.

More importantly, immediately after independence, Scotland and the kingdom of England would have to go through a more or less lengthy period to stabilise themselves economically, military, socially, etc, and also to establish a series of treaties and trade deals with other countries. In other words, there would be one hundred more pressing things for each of those countries to prioritise and think before choosing to continue acting as uncle sam’s poodle on demand in another of its nasty, self-serving neoliberal wars to ensure dollar supremacy and that its role as master of the world remains unchallenged.

Let’s rewind back to 2014.

March and May 2014 was when the referendums in Crimea and the Donbass area took place. Obama and Clinton stuck their uninvited nose in Scotland’s referendum campaign on June 2014. Good timing.

These referendums in C and Dnbs did not emerged out of thin air. They were the result of what had happened within the year before. The extent of uncle sam’s interference in the Euromaidan and the so called “revolution of dignity” in U is debatable, depending of what you read, but I found this article quite interesting:

This article is interesting:
“America’s U[redacted] Hypocrisy – The extent of the Obama administration’s meddling in U[redacted]’s politics was breathtaking” Written by Ted Galen Carpenter and published in CATO Institute website, 6 August 2017

In other words, it seems uncle sam was up to its armpits in the political desestabilisation in U. This is not surprising, as it has been sticking its nose and meddling in other countries’ business for a very long time.

What this means, is that it is very likely that already at that time in 2014 if not sooner, uncle sam knew exactly that it would result in a war of U with R. In fact, I am one of those who thinks one of the reasons it meddled in U politics was to provoke it.

If in June 2014, or potentially even sooner, uncle sam already knew there was going to be a war between U and R, one can understand why Obama and Clinton stuck their nose in our referendum campaign to stop Scotland’s independence. The were doing what they could to ensure their poodle UK remained in a fit position to be usable as one of their proxies for this war.

I am not sure what role did brexit play in all this, but I would not be surprised it it was another uncle sam’s maneouver which was part of the strategic plan to set all the cogs in place for this war against R.

After the brexit campaign we were told there was a lot of R interference. Yet, the evidence pointed towards uncle sam’s relentless intereference in the brexit referendum, not R’s.

The one million Scottish pounds question is: Would that war between U and R had taken place if brexit had not happened and if Scotland had become independent in 2014?

We might not know the real extent of uncle sam’s interference in Scotland’s government structures, but we definitely know that it is exercising some form of control over the idiots which claim to be representing Scotland and who claim to be “Scotland’s” government.

Thanks to Vivian O’Blivion, we also know that it is controlling dodgy “think tank” outfits like the Smith institute in Glasgow. The number of mediocre and airhead SPADS, MPs and MSPs who were sent to uncle sam to “learn” on “leadership” programmes are a testament to the level of influence this country is exercising over our structures of government by placing airheads in control.

Thanks to the REv’s top notch journalism, we all remember some of the airheads’ names who went to leadership programmes to uncle sam and some of the things they have been involved since.

We have also seen the unhealthy devotion and blind faith displayed by Sturgeon or even Dugdale towards H Clinton. The latter was even at her election campaign.

We have also seen recent changes in foreign policy and relations with the rogue state in the middle east among the idiots who claim to represent Scotland and which are going against the opinion of the majority of the people in Scotland.

So, until what point, Scotland’s referendum in 2014 was rigged by a collusion between the British state and uncle sam’s interests?

And until what point, the disgusting attacks on Mr Salmond reputation, the fabricated criminal case and the stupid complaints procedure were part of a strategy emerging from the colluding interests of the British state an uncle sam to stop Scotland’s independence?

Who instructed Sturgeon to say that a vote for the SNP was no longer a vote for independence or a referendum?

So, where am I going with all this?

We have to find a way to utilise all what is happening as a tool to bring more people towards Scotland’s independence and to expose the hand of the deep state in stopping Scotland’s independence. For example

1. By Exposing how Scotland is unwillingly and unaware contributing to this war

This war is more likely to continue for as long as Scotland continues preserving the UK. If Scotland terminates the UK by ending the union, uncle sam’s main poodle becomes disabled for at least a few years until England recovers its economic position and its appetite for warmongering.

If Scotland ends the UK and stops England becoming the sucessor state of the UK, one of uncle sam’s NATO and UN proxy seats that are being abused to continue its neoliberal wars, thieving other countries’ liquid assets under the faux guise of “sanctions” or vetoing peace, will be lost.

If Scotland is no longer part of the UK, its strategical position cannot be abused by uncle sam for that war and we cannot be used as cannon fodder for its neoliberal wars.

2. HOw remaining in the UK that war is threatening our lives

a. those trident and nuclear heads in Scotland’s territory have made us a direct target in a war with R scenario

b. Not having control over our own currency and over our own assets means we will have to endure the increase in energy and food prices due to this war despite being self-sufficient and producing far more electricity and energy than we need.

3. Exposing the real reason behind this war.
If the real reason for this war is to stop de-dollarisation, and the loss of uncle sam’s monopoly in power, why should Scotland take part in this proxy war when it might actually benefit far more of being part of the BRICS and being able to trade in its own currency with other countries rather than having to be stuck with the dollar?

4. Relation with the EU
If the EU countries have now become useless puppets of uncle sam that are acting against their own population and transforming their countries in cannon fodder for NATO, what is the point in considering re-joining? We might need to look at other alternatives.

I see ways to use this war and the circumstances around it to promote support for Scotland’s independence.


Confused

2 days ago

just finished watching the latest rings of power – the plot is stupid and makes no sense

why doesn’t galadriel just say

– okay Sauron, suppose you are in charge now … but what currency would you use?

checkmate.

… um … magic rings … mithril … a mithril backed currency … pure fiat

galadriel then says – all fiat currency eventually reverts to its intrinsic value, i.e. zero

(sauron wilts visibly)

then the hammer blow

How will the orcs get their pensions paid?

– the orcs on hearing this turn on the dark lord with their morgul blades

sauron’s last words :

modern … monetary … theory

Elrond, Gil Galad and all the pretty boys in their cool armour turn up to say :

SHUT UP GALADRIEL – JUST SHUT UP (you are the only woman in this story, but you still have to milk it)

“one postal vote to rule them all and in the darkness count them”

beyond the doors of night, newly exiled Sauron is chatting to his old mentor, Morgoth :

big mistake lad, what you do is – I conjure money out of thin air, for the cost of printing it, as much as I need, then I go around buying up what I want with it …

but surely …

let me finish –

anyone who refuses to accept my money as payment for their wealth, I then KILL IN HORRIBLE WAYS (like a knife up the arse, heh heh, kinky)

Sauron : fucksake Morgoth, you are way eviller than me … what’s this system called

THE DOLLAR

Morgoth (top) and Sauron (power bottom) then have gay sex while waiting for the Dagor Dagorath (there’s not a lot to do beyond the doors of night as it lacks even basic wifi)

Mia

Reply to  Andy Ellis

1 day ago

“All the evidence we have from polling (which isn’t that recent admittedly) shows a majority of Scots are broadly in favour of keeping nuclear weapons”

What evidence is that?

Because I have just done a google search and the first thing that comes up is:

“SCOTS are overwhelmingly opposed to replacing the Trident nuclear weapons system, with opposition running at 75% even among those planning to vote No in next year’s independence referendum”

Published by The Herald in March 2013

“Doubtless the attractions of splendid isolation or neutrality post independence took a bit of a knock after Sweden and Finland both decided to join NATO”

Quite the opposite, actually. Now it is just a question of watching how the people of those countries react to and suffer the consequences of the mistake of agreeing to housing uncle sam’s nukes and other weapons in their sovereign territory once the conflict progresses.

What uncle Sam has done is to protect its own arse, as it usually does, at the expense of European countries. By loading them with nuclear weapons, R will be targeting those countries first rather than firing at the main culprit of the whole conflict, uncle sam. It is a rather cowardly move by uncle sam, actually. What it has done is to set up the European countries around R as its human and territory shields. Quite parasitical actually.


Rev. Stuart Campbell

Admin

Reply to  Geri

1 day ago

A sample doesn’t speak for an entire population.

It does, though. That’s the entire point of polling, and why polls are rarely wrong. If they were, nobody would pay any attention to them and people would stop commissioning them.

(Nobody polls “150” people. The standard minimum is 1000, statistically weighted to be representative, and often considerably more.)


Mia

Reply to  Andy Ellis

1 day ago

“As soon as ICBMS and submarine launched missiles were developed, the idea of territory shields became redundant”

That would only be the case if the submarines never have to touch base and were transporting ALL the nuclear warheads currently in Scotland with them at all given times. That is not the case, is it? So no. The idea of behaving like uncle sam’s territory shield did not become redundant at all. We are still, at all practical effects, a target and uncle sam’s (and England’s) territorial and human shield.

“Polling evidence”
Which is what that article in The Herald I mentioned above was based on, polling evidence. So, don’t evade the question. Where is the evidence that supports your assertion that all the evidence we have from polling (which isn’t that recent admittedly) shows a majority of Scots are broadly in favour of keeping nuclear weapons”?

“Neither Sweden or Finland will be hosting nukes”
We will see about that in due course.

“nuclear weapons, fallout and the effects thereof aren’t going to magically avoid Scotland because we’ve declared ourselves nuclear free”
But we will not make us a direct target, which is the main issue at stake here. Not being able to, maybe, escape the indirect effects is not a justification for putting us in the position of being a direct target and therefore being exposed to receive the direct effects in full.

There is a big difference between being right in the epicentre of an earthquake and being hundreds or thousands of miles away where you can still feel the tremors. The radiation levels will never be the same if we are directly hit by a nuke here than if the nuke falls hundreds or thousands of miles away. The larger the radius from the point of explosion, the larger the survival rate.

“Uncle Vlad’s regime will be hitting targets of opportunity, whether they host nuclear weapons or not”
You don’t know what they will be targeting and it is rather arrogant of you to pretend otherwise. It stands to the obvious to me that when a country is at war and feels threatened, it will be attempting to neutralise first the closest threats.

“they’d far rather their allies had spent the scarce resources on conventional defence”
Yeah, and I guess their preference will be for these “allies” to buy the weapons from uncle sam as well. So, not only those countries will become a dumping ground for USA’s weapons and toxic waste and its territorial and human shields, but also would be paying like idiots into uncle sam’s economy for the privilege.
That sounds like a one-way profits only arrangement.


Geri

Reply to  Mia

1 day ago

They’ve championed U to hit nuclear power stations in R as well. That’s what Kursk was about.

They’re unhinged nutters & I don’t know why the American public hasn’t removed Biden because he is clearly not in charge of his faculties & there’s been a coup. God only knows who is in charge of that administration because it’s been mentioned a few times they just ignore his ramblings. So much for chief commander.

As for Faslane, after a public campaign of exactly what NATO involves I doubt Scotland would sign up.

Besides, it’s my understanding that’s the only viable deep sea port because the bastards dumped munitions & all other manner of junk everywhere else in Scotland. Scotland would required it for their own naval base. We do, after all, own extensive maritime boundaries & have valuables in the north sea need protecting.

It would be a constant boil on an independent Scotlands arse too because these leases can be up to 100 yrs – if not permanent. Biden amended the UK contract recently without parliamentary scrutiny & without Scotlands permission. Apparently they don’t need any. It’s part of NATO & therefore unelected NATO trumps everything else.

It’d also be a constant point of antagonism to what is already a hostile state & they’ll be even more hostile when they’ve fck all & it’s just little England & Wales.

Its also stupid, imo, because we’re saddled not only with a target but we’ve also to pay for a foreign country’s weapons we can’t even use. Those billions should be spent on our own defense & as others in the international community are now voicing – go back to the old method of alliances instead of always playing hauners to an unhinged nutters quest to rule the world. Colonisers never stop looking for fights & governments to overthrow & as NATO has already proved, it doesn’t have the industrial capacity, the money or the manpower & more importantly, all 32 countries agreeing. So if we’re ever in the shit it only takes one country to veto & yer on yer own no matter how many billions you’ve already paid into this scam scheme.

Rev. Stuart Campbell

Admin

Reply to  Mia

1 day ago

“So, where is that support?
This is the third time I am asking. Where are those polls you claim exist?”

It makes me profoundly depressed that I’ve spent nearly 13 years showing people how to find out facts, collating and organising facts, and putting those facts on a plate for people as easily as I possibly can, and when faced with the slightest, tiniest bit of effort people just shrug and give up.

I have commissioned many polls.

I have a handy tab right at the top of the front page called “Polls”. It explains what subjects were polled, when, who the sample base was, where the data tables can be found and links to all the relevant analysis articles.

link to wingsoverscotland.com

Click on “Polls”. Hit Ctrl-F for “Find” and type “Trident”. The most recent poll where we asked a direct question about whether the UK should keep nuclear weapons was this one, in 2017.

link to wingsoverscotland.com

It found that 46% of Scots wanted the UK to retain its nuclear deterrent, with 37% opposed. Excluding don’t-knows that’s a 55-45 majority in favour of retaining Trident.

(The same poll also found that, again excluding DKs, only 37% supported it remaining in Scotland, which is a have-your-cake-and-eat it fantasy.)

However, we also asked a different question in 2018, framed around the possibility of an independent Scotland leasing HMNB Clyde to the UK to keep Trident there while the UK built a new base – something that would take at least a decade and likely more. Just 20% took the hardline position that Trident should have to go within a year.

link to wingsoverscotland.com

It doesn’t get polled that often because (a) it’s only relevant in the context of independence being potentially imminent, and (b) because on a straight question the results almost never change. Nevertheless, it’s farcically easy to find other polling on the subject. These two 2022 polls both showed majority support for the retention of Trident in an indy Scotland:

link to ukdefencejournal.org.uk

It seems fair to say that the Scottish public, while divided, is as a whole pretty relaxed about the presence of Trident. Only around one in five are seriously committed to its removal, with another group willing to use it as a bargaining chip/revenue source and the largest plurality actively supporting it staying where it is even if we become independent.

Now, is there anything else I can spoonfeed to people too lazy to bother for themselves despite my already having done 95% of the work for them or can I get back to trying to fix broken bits of WordPress?

Geri

Reply to  Mia

1 day ago

Those nukes can be just as much of a threat to their host nation when/if relations turn sour. Same with NATO. Good luck asking them to leave their host nation when..

1. They already see that base as their sovereign territory. Not the host nations. Its written into the agreement that patch of land is now theirs to do as they wish. A base for nukes or for biolabs. Its exempt from ever knowing.
2. They’re already exempt from the host nations laws no matter what their parliament votes for – they are free to disregard it. This includes personnel who could be a serial killer. They’re exempt.
3. They don’t pay rent or the host nation any taxes.

So basically they’ve just given a coloniser a huge chunk of free land to park their weapons & for absolutely nothing in return because as you also point out those weapons wouldn’t belong to us but we’re charged for their upkeep & renewal too. How lovely.

Nice con eh?

& They’re not a deterrent either cause according to WM R is sailing up & down the Clyde waving at us so those hunks of junk aren’t exactly scaring anyone shitless.


MaryB

Reply to  Geri

1 day ago

I’m in the New York at the moment. Once you’re across the pond, Europe (or the Middle East) seems a long way away. So far that if they started wars there, the American people would feel unaffected by it. That must affect their attitudes, unlike the Scots, who would in the middle of it all.

Wings Over Scotland | The whole caboodle


Morag

1 day ago

I still can’t understand the apparent optimism from people I would have thought would know better by now. Repeated assertions that the SNP is not a lost cause and that the solution is for all the branches of the independence movement, including the SNP, to come together in friendship and co-operation. How on earth do they imagine this could possibly happen now?


Geri

Reply to  Morag

1 day ago

Yes especially in light of rejecting Ash Regan as leader & then again by voting against her plebiscite proposal .

I dunno how many times they need a smack in the face before it eventually sinks in. Its fast becoming another ‘A labour government will give us an indyref” no matter how many leaders said they absolutely would not.

The SNP is only interested in LGBTQWERTYS2++++ Any vote for them will be taken as such.


Rev. Stuart Campbell

Author

Reply to  Andrew Lees

18 hours ago

“Excellent ………therefore, a good idea for all of sane mind, to give this site and many other communist/ masonic sites, a miss.”

I’m going to let that through just because “communist/masonic” is a new one, and I don’t get many of those these days.

Geri

Reply to  Andy Ellis

13 hours ago

You’ll be obliged to do nothing because yer a hypocrite. Yer campaign would crumple the moment you opened yer gob.

You bang on about blood & soil bigots while you’ve the brass neck to fully support & endorse a fascist apartheid state where even the original “natives” are excluded from voting.

You bang on about franchises while ignoring the UKs Brexshit franchise & ordinary restrictions.

You claim to support a right to self determination but not for those pesky ‘Orcs. Theirs must’ve been rigged (funny, they fully support Palestines right to statehood too but lookie who didn’t)

You don’t believe we’re a colony. We just gave all powers over our own resources to our neighbour out the goodness of our hearts while we eat grass.

You don’t believe in an Internationally recognised treaty, where non negotiable terms were set out & remain alive today, Scotlands claim of right.

You’d also start name-calling everyone who didn’t agree with your views as Brigadoon tankies..

So no, I’d leave campaigning if I were you.. take up dominos or something..

Robert Hughes

23 hours ago

To get a sense of the futility of Alex’s seeming mission to squeeze juice from the dried , shrivelled husk of the former ” Party of Independence ” look no further than Fergus Ewing ; talking the talk at this get-together and a couple of days later walking the walk to Holyweird to vote against Ash Regan’s proposal – the only ( relatively ) straightforward route to Independence immediately practicable.

I sometimes get the impression Alex’s * real * aspiration is to regain his position as leader of the SNP .Which would in many ways be a vast improvement over the grey miasma of insipid blandness being spread over that Party by Jake The Mortician .

If that’s in any way accurate , it’s easy to understand .

He gave a large chunk of his life to the SNP , rescued it from the political rigor mortis of Swinney’s 1st woeful tenure ( his 2nd is shaping-up to take woefulness to hitherto unplumbed depths ) ; turned it into a formidable election fighting & winning juggernaut AND gave Scotland it’s – so far – only opportunity to sever the bonds of * Union * . He clearly loved the Party .

Look what that Party done to him as reward for his love , devotion & achievements on it’s behalf .

And that’s the entire post-Salmond SNP . Not one of them stood-up for him when he needed them most .Not fckn one of them .

Whatever his inner thoughts on the subject , they don’t deserve him and I feel he’ll eventually have to accept that the Party he gave so much to is gone : irreversibly fucked beyond salvation .

Walk on Alex & don’t look back


Geri

Reply to  Robert Hughes

21 hours ago

He’s resuscitated it a few times . The 79 group & reprising leadership roles a few times but I’m afraid the SNP is stone deid, captain. No even a pulse.
I don’t think Jesus could even save it & make it get up & walk again.

And would he want the headache? A bunch of poisonous inbred cretins who still make out he’s guilty of something only demonstrates how completely captured & overrun with plants the whole SNP was right back to Sturgeons intake of duds in 2015.

& Holyrood now no different. Greens running a muck & plants everywhere, in every department, working against Scotlands interests.

He needs to move on & get behind Salvo & Liberation. The time is now because the whole world is about done with Colonialism over at the UN as country after country takes to the podium.


Robert Hughes

Reply to  Geri

20 hours ago

” He needs to move on & get behind Salvo & Liberation. The time is now because the whole world is about done with Colonialism over at the UN as country after country takes to the podium. ”

100% .

He would do well to invite Alf B for a productive tete-a-tete , eg on Scotland Speaks . I for one would be really interested in hearing those two discuss Alf’s perception of our * condition * .Pretty sure many of us would be interested . Not clear what Alex’s views on the subject are ; other than that he doesn’t seem interested or deem it to be relevant .


Republicofscotland

23 hours ago

An absolute f*ckin disgrace those b*stards at Tammany Hall don’t give a toss about poorer Scots.

“More than 40,000 people have signed a petition to keep Glasgow’s night shelter open after it was served with an enforcement notice by the city council.
Homeless Project Scotland is a charity run entirely by volunteers and looks to offer a safe haven for those experiencing homelessness.
As well as offering advice the organisation is known for its soup kitchen, which serves hot food 365 days a year, a 24/7 emergency hotline to provide advice to people across the country and a mobile food van which serves free meals to vulnerable people in multiple locations. ”

More than 40k sign petition to keep Glasgow homeless shelter open | Glasgow Times

Alf Baird

20 hours ago

Again, no mention of our colonial reality at this ‘independence’ event? Whit dae aw thay bricht mynds pit on the stage think independence means?

As postcolonial theory tells us, the peoples understanding of independence ‘remains rudimentary’; this is primarily because the national party has never undertaken ‘a reasoned study of colonial society’. The political leaders have never told the people what independence means or why it is necessary.

Fergus Ewing is wrong to say that the Salmond stitch-up is the biggest scandal facing Scotland. The biggest scandal is the SNP elite being ‘co-opted by colonialism’ and becoming ‘part of the colonial racket’. That is why we see the colonial administration persecuting independence campaigners and delaying independence, facilitating the ongoing economic plunder of our country.

If we need a definition of a failed nationalist politician it is these former SNP MPs and MSPs retiring on colonial pensions after being given 6 elected nationalist majorities. And they have the cheek to blame the people!

So yes, we still need to explain to the people their colonial wretchedness. And essential information has been provided on this (including the textbook ‘Doun-Hauden’), including here the summarised explanation of what independence means (decolonization) and why it is necessary (liberation):

link to salvo-cor.s3.eu-west-1.amazonaws.com

Rev. Stuart Campbell

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Reply to  Alf Baird

20 hours ago

Even for you, Alf, that’s a lot of uses of “colonial” in one comment.


Alf Baird

Reply to  Rev. Stuart Campbell

19 hours ago

Yes Stuart, certainly a lot more use of the C word than was in evidence at the indyref anniversary event. It is as if nothing has been learned of our colonial condition, as if those invited to speak are too culturally assimilated to acknowledge our colonial reality; denial of course is an important part of the colonial ‘condition’, as is the role of the native bourgeoisie.

The decolonization template is there, still being played out in full before us, if we care to look for it:

link to yoursforscotlandcom.wordpress.com

Alf Baird

Reply to  Rev. Stuart Campbell

18 hours ago

We might remember that colonialism ‘is based on psychology’ (Cesaire).

If we are unable to correctly diagnose (or accept) our colonial condition we will be unlikely to find the only remedy – i.e. liberation. A correct diagnosis would therefore seem essential, never mind pertinent and helpful.

For those who refuse or are unwilling to define independence as decolonization (i.e. the UN and postcolonial theorists definition), it may be informative to learn what you think independence means otherwise, and any theoretical basis in that regard?

link to yoursforscotlandcom.wordpress.com

twathater

Reply to  Rev. Stuart Campbell

10 hours ago

Why do you feel you have to denigrate or demean Alf Bairds use of the word colonial as if it is not pertinent, yet myself and others have been asking you to post your beliefs and feelings regarding Salvo and the other Liberation organisations
I will honestly say that I believe your wee blue book and wee black book had a bigger impact on the positive independence result than anything Alex Salmond or any of the other troughers said or did
Salmond TBF negotiated the referendum but then he disengaged the accelerator pedal and handed over the reins to clowns and tractors for which we have suffered greatly and still do
,he supposedly by many accounts here and elsewhere is the great tactician , yet after many years in WM as a politician experiencing and dealing with the constant denigration and contempt shown to Scotland and Scots he FAILED MISERABLY to recognise that the WM establishment would do ANYTHING to destroy independence

I haven’t watched any of the excepts you posted from “the ayes have it ” which I may do later but it appears to me to be Alex Salmond grandstanding and aggrandising about a FAILED independence referendum

Maybe the Scum Nonce Party being in power since 2007 would have been better concentrating on educating and illustrating to the Scottish voters how extremely wealthy Scotland’s natural resources are and how they are being stolen and used by england to modernize and renovate London and the south, BUT no every year they allowed the FAKE GERS figures to be trotted out without producing the truth which enabled the unionists to keep heaping the scorn
You may feel that Scotland and Scots are not treated as a colony but you then have to identify the relationship that you consider appropriate

Dan

Reply to  Alf Baird

19 hours ago

Aye Alf (and Robert Hughes in a comment up-thread somewhere hidden away in an shitey awkward to follow Arsebook ADHD style comment system “upgrade” to the site), you both point out the utter hypocrisy displayed by some of these supposed brightest and best pro-Indy minds.
Been saying it for a good while but I’m now officially done with anybody and site that continues to state and promote the idea that “there’s nothing going on politically in Scotland”.
When someone shows you who they are, best believe them the first time…
No ongoing scrutiny of the far reaching implications of Freeports and special Economic Zones, No scrutiny of the implications of the ongoing antics in energy infrastructure developments in Scotland.

Aye, there’s nowt going on richt enough if you want all that continued exploitation of Scotland and are happy and comfortable to jist sit back and allow these detrimental developments to be implemented on the qt.
Which begs the question, just what kind of future society do these supposedly brightest and best minds want for Scotland if they see no issue with what’s being rolled out…
The whole point of positive activism for returning Scotland to self-governance surely isn’t jist to have a Scotland that continues with the sellout to global corporate interest and profits at the expense of our own folk, because if that’s what these leading minds in the Indy movement actually want, there’s no need for Indy at all because we can get all that shite with continued London Rule.

ISP at least seem to notice some of what’s actually going on.

link to isp.scot

link to offtopicscotland.com


Geri

Reply to  Dan

19 hours ago

Yes there’s a lot going on. Especially during a media blackout with alternative news sites filling the void until they’r ceremoniously removed from American owned platforms for some secret reason they won’t say.

Soon we’ll be jettisoned back to the 1940s where we all sit around a radio by candle light to hear BBC Pravda punt propaganda shite 24/7.

I’d like to read more about Freeports too & the Scotwind giveaway.

I think the Freeports will come with fracking the fck out of Scotland. Back to being Englanders lab rats.

Dan

Reply to  McHaggis69

5 hours ago

So you agree that there are issues with Freeports/Greenports*, but get wired into calling me an idiot by trying to link my pointing this out to me being a Salvo roaster/ bullshitter/ radge/ homeless mentally ill jakey.

You use language and an approach jist a bit too similar to what Andy tried in his response to my post where he tries to equate me pointing out the lack of scrutiny of ongoing political matters in Scotland as me being a moonhowler supporter of sub RISE Cappuccino Commie guff and a fringe nutter espousing sophomoric Wolfie Smith revolution.
Aye, defo playing the ball and not the man and in no way personal abuse.
And yesterday Breeks’ post got deleted for basically pointing out he doesn’t bother interacting with some on here because of the bile they spout…

*
Here are a couple of links on the Freeports matter.

link to commonweal.scot

link to commonweal.scot

Now let’s see if Stu will allow you to throw that same kind of derogatory abuse at Robin McAlpine and Craig Dalzell…


Alf Baird

Reply to  Hatey McHateface

1 hour ago

“Make it crystal clear beforehand that winning a majority of Scottish seats at WM, or a majority of seats at HR, will be treated as a cast-iron democratically derived starting gun for the process of dissolving the union”

That’s all we ever needed, which the daeless co-opted SNP elite has failed to deliver every time. Those serious about independence have been telling the movement this for years, so well done you for catching up:

link to yoursforscotlandcom.wordpress.com

Stuart MacKay

5 hours ago

Interesting to see the new comments system is already having an impact:

  1. Threading is making it harder for a couple of well-known names to monopolise / derail the conversation.
  2. Everybody is getting a chance to pick favourites and “punish” those they dislike.
  3. Inline images are sprucing up the site and making it more interesting.

Will be worth checking back in a couple of months to see if the attention seekers are still around or are cajoled into making more measured comments.

Confused

3 hours ago

a lot of high red numbers there, some folks making multiple posts, without any in the green.

– maybe the new system has not been explained : there is a cut line, like in golf and any nett red number people will get euthanased next week – you will be designated

posten unwertes posten

BTW – direct image posting; maybe not a good idea. The ability to write a sentence does operate as a filter, and now you are at the mercy of every moron with a “memes” folder. Expect everything, including porn, maybe self made by the owner, gore, sick crap, and also things which are very funny, but we shouldn’t laugh at, harry potter as a nazi memes, for example.

Confused

Reply to  Andy Ellis

2 hours ago

Ellis fears the mobile gas van.

“reading the room”

– whistle a happy tune, statistical fluctuations and all that, the law of large numbers, reversion to the mean, the central limit theorem … maybe – seems like a lot of “cope” going on.

I have some, very mild, redness myself, here and there – and I have not said anything all that political for a while, nothing controversial, not by my standard. Some folks will poke you with a red anyway – I think this is just “I don’t like him”, which I don’t approve of. I always actually read a post if I vote on it.

As for the diversity of posters – pots and kettles – do you not think lurkers are put off by your own spammings – its always one thing, with the same hackneyed phrases – and as for main, with his scattergun bug eyed spittle flecked crap – who would want to dive into the midst of this?

Another thing – this “personal abuse” ban – I think insults are an art form. The Scots invented “flyting” after all; main came in there for a pop and I bopped him back but both got deleted, but there is nothing in it. People should try that french costume drama “ridicule” about the court at versaille who vied for influence on the basis of their witty insults; humour can be devastatingly powerful.


Geri

Reply to  Andy Ellis

51 minutes ago

Back in the day every WoS article used to see several hundred responses from a fairly wide spectrum of folk. Changed days indeed.”

Ever wonder ppl may have left because there’s fck all worth commenting on?

Its hardly the heady days of 2013- 2019 anymore where ppl still believed indyref2 & Wings was the much sought after source to debunk Unionist pish & was our best fact checker.

Yer like a stuck record harking back to a bygone era that’s past.

Plenty of YES bloggers & sites have given up. Sites deserted – some even as early as 2017 when I know one who closed saying Indyref2 just wasn’t going to happen under Sturgeon.

Wings Over Scotland | Things happen slowly


Fiona

3 hours ago

There must be a right muddle up of strings at the top of the puppet show, who’s pulling which strings? Which puppets are being dropped from the stage show? which ones are being destroyed never to return to the main act? Will Punch and Judy stay popular or will the crocodile make a snap decision?. Who is the crocodile? Whatever, it’s going to be worth having a front row seat when the curtains open…… And as to your journalistic skills, well, that’s the way to do it……


Ian McCubbin

3 hours ago

Let’s hope the all at once happenings are soon.
Snp with Swinney at the helm is incredibly close to falling over a cliff into oblivion. With Alba rising in local elections a big conclusion on SNP corruption would be a step forwards.


Mac

3 hours ago

This is looking very bad for Murrell. I said a while ago this will be part of long running pattern as you don’t go from zero to 110k motorhome overnight.

Reading the Mail article it looks like he was using every trick known to man to tunnel money out of the SNP and into his pockets somehow.

The fake company selling imaginary services and goods, buying high value items in cash and selling them some time later to ‘launder’ the cash… these are all your classic ways to do it and obviously well known and understood by the police.

Murrell really is not the brightest if he was doing all this. It looks really bad for him. So many different things now that appear ultra fishy… I think he is going down. I really do.


Sven

3 hours ago

And it just takes the first one to burst looking for a deal for the whole house of cards to fall down.
One surely hopes that a few wee bums are twittering.

Astonished

3 hours ago

I am sooooo looking forward to seeing who gets thrown under a bus first, and who turns king’s evidence to save their worthless skin.

Questions remain about why it took so long, but I’m certain the Crown Office and Procurator Fiscal Service will be able to provide answers to everyone’s questions. Eventually, when forced.

I do hope everyone will soon understand our imperial masters only protect you as long as it’s in their interests.

On a completely different matter, how is Liz Lloyd doing ? And has a Lord Advocate ever been imprisoned ?


Fiona

Reply to  Astonished

2 hours ago

Eventually…when forced , is spot on….. Also correct about the imperial masters protection, now that our country is almost milked dry, they’ll do what they did in India, i.e. leave.. and let the people clean up the sorry wrung out excuse for a country which they raped and plundered. Worse is the fact that we have had this happen in an age when we had all the facts at our fingertips , such as the Whisky exports not being attributed to Scotland’s GDP, they export from England – just a small example of the financial manipulation done to make Scotland look too wee, too poor etc etc…
WoS appears to be the only source of information which proves accurate, and EVENTUALLY (average 18 months on from the events) the MSM have no option but to print the truth. Sorry to rant on the back of your post


Vivian O’Blivion

3 hours ago

This stuff is enormously frustrating for me (and I suspect the rank-and-file Polis at Gartcosh). The corrupt COPFS have clearly obstructed the ends of justice and slowed any progress to that analogous of tectonic plates.

The lavender Ceausescus were never Keyser Söze. What is being implied here is good ol’ fashioned dummy invoice fraud, the primary investigation of which should have taken a few hours. This is comprehensively covered in chapter one of White Collar Crime for Dummies.

Another basic scam favoured by the Mafia is “no show jobs”. At its peak, the SNP received £1.3m pa in Short Money from the British state. Short money was initiated in 1974 to enable “research and policy development”. Exactly how many policy papers did the SNP generate? A more pertinent question would be how many imbecile, illiterate and innumerate relatives of SNP MPs, MSPs and Cooncilors were being paid to sit at home and play video games?

Vivian O’Blivion

2 hours ago

Breaking news.
Keir Starmer’s Handler “Chief of Staff” has quit. Seemingly, Sue Gray couldn’t stand the scrutiny. Why would a British Civil Servant take a sabbatical in the 1980’s to manage a Republican / IRA pub (the Cove Bar) in Newry. Very spooky.


Sven

Reply to  Vivian O’Blivion

2 hours ago

To be known, it seems, as the PM’s “Envoy to the Regions”.
An envoy being, I vaguely recall, some type of government representative to another country, perhaps Sir Keir is already recognising Scotland’s independence.


Republicofscotland

1 hour ago

Notorious crank say Leasky Boy – if we had more Scots with the guts and conviction of Sean Clerkin – we wouldn’t be trapped in this illegal union.

Anyway well done to you Rev – I recall the story, and you asked us of ways to spend the dough; for me the so called Scottish MSM are a bunch of spineless unionist b*stards – too afraid to rock their masters boats – as with many House Jocks – paying their mortgage comes before truthful reporting; in anycase, if what passes for Scottish journalists did print the truth – they’d be out of a job in a jiffy – so its mainly puff pieces, or dragging their feet on certain stories.

We must get the SNP out come 2026 – vote ISP or Alba where you find them.

A snippet from the Record story

“A major high street bank flagged suspicious transactions on accounts connected with the SNP last year and;
– Crown prosecutors have stepped up their investigation with movement on the case expected in the coming weeks.
A source said: “A bank flagged up large transactions on SNP related accounts to the police in 2023 which they wanted to query.”

Police probing claims fake company received payments for SNP office refurbishment – Daily Record (archive.is)

Geri

1 hour ago

It’ll never amount to anything.

The reason they’ve turned an hours work into one that’s lasting years is because PC Doughnut has hit the security services brick wall.

Only in Scotland could we produce fcking dummies that didn’t fleece them for billions but chose a camper van instead lolz

Didn’t I tell you not to fucking buy anything? What are you, stupid? Yer going to get us all pinched! Fucking moron!

What? Its a present for my wife, it’s in my mother in laws name. Me & Imelda are going to try van life..Its okay – I’ve woven it intae a desk.Stop getting excited.

James Gardner

23 minutes ago

On the subject of the missing £600K plus, how many Yessers asked for and got their donations refunded from “THE COMPANY” ?

I was lucky I was refunded by “THE COMPANY”, this fact is in the public domain !

Police Scotland said they were interviewing victims ? As I had been a victim, strangely enough I have NEVER been contacted by the Scottish Police. So the question of who is “THE COMPANY” has never been probed !

The SNP have data on payments/dates/times/bank accounts from Yesser who donated ! Have Scottish Police obtained this from SNP HQ ?

After the Tom Gordon of the Herald published my story one week later Humza Yousaf stated that there would be no more refunds ? On what authority did he have to impose this rule ? What is his connection with “THE COMPANY” ?

Who are the Directors of “THE COMPANY” ?

Once again Many Thanks to Crazy Cat and Rev Stu Campbell, Wings of Scotland Onwards and Upwards.

Lastly on a sad note how many of those who donated are no longer with us today, their hopes and aspirations for an Independent Scotland betrayed by the very people who are supposed to protect them.

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